Thomas - Render - Polyloop

Thomas · 20th June 2007, 18:07

Welcome in my workshop thread!

I will post soon a lot of rendering tests made in Modo, and later in XSI!

Thomas · 20th June 2007, 23:45

After testing the modeling of Modo, now it's time to switch to the render..

This is my very first tests. Just a HDRI + GI. The model has been done in 5 min and is not the main subject here for these tests ;)

Next step, finding how to use that damn dof!

Thomas · 20th June 2007, 23:46

Before the dof, just some SSS tests. Damn, Modo is pretty fast for that!

mayito7777 · 21st June 2007, 00:08

Looking very good, what is your opinion between Hexagon and Modo? (modelling I mean)

Thomas · 21st June 2007, 07:52

Honnestly, I don't really like to model in Modo. It have a lot of very nice features, but some simple tasks are killing the modeling process. You have to cheat to avoid that. I also think that some of that stuff will change soon.
You have also to consider that I have a very long road behind me with 3DSMax, Amapi and as you can imagine, Hexagon, which workflow for these three apps, is very far from Modo

BTW, Modo will become for sure my renderer of choice (waiting the 301

Piem · 21st June 2007, 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

..some SSS tests. Damn, Modo is pretty fast for that!

Sure..SSS is fast..not like "ex-eovia" what you know

mayito7777 · 21st June 2007, 12:54

My plan is to get Amapi 7.5 to use it as a modeller and I am undecided between Carrara and Modo, any input or suggestions would be apprecciated.

Thomas · 21st June 2007, 13:51

It's hard for me to give an input, I don't know enough Modo yet for the rendering. But carrara have a lot of presets and effects that Modo don't have.

It depends of what you want to do with it ;)

mayito7777 · 21st June 2007, 13:55

My basic interest it is in stills, maybe a little bit of animation.

Thomas · 21st June 2007, 14:17

Oups, I wasn't enough explicit

Which kind of still rendering? Environnement, characters, illustration, product design, etc?

mayito7777 · 21st June 2007, 14:18

Oh, I got it, Product design, environment, illustration.

Thomas · 21st June 2007, 14:19

Product Design, yeah, for sur! For the others, well, you will need a lot of Photoshop ;)

Nate Owens · 21st June 2007, 16:19

I thought MODO was too expensive for a rendering tool, and like Thomas says, way too complex for modeling.
Everybody has to deal with deadlines, and my preference is take the direction and tools that are the least complicated and still can do the job adequately. Every choice has its compromises and trade-offs. What's perfect for one artist's needs may not work for another.
If I retire rich, maybe I can experiment with the other applications. But I don't think artists get rich or retire... I'll probably croak at the easel... (uhh... make that at the computer).

21st June 2007, 16:42

Here is all the modo 301 info you need and its rendering features.

http://www.luxology.com/whatismodo/301/

Just on rendering and new lighting the upgrade price is worth it.

Thomas · 21st June 2007, 17:15

Nate: I didn't say that Modo was too complexe for modeling. I wasn't enough explicit on that point, sorry. I wanted to say that perhaps it doesn't suit my own workflow on 3D modeling, which is based a lot on edge modeling.

Ringo: for the rendering improvment and network, yes, for the IES new features, it's not something I use, then, no way for me. I prefer more parameters for the falloff for the lights, ~~more~~ light FX, etc.

We don't have to forget that Modo have a great UV editor and a great 3Dpaint, which also worth the price!

Nate Owens · 21st June 2007, 18:33

Right... too complex for my workflow

Couerl · 22nd June 2007, 05:20

If Modo had a similar fast Extrusion workflow it would be pretty nice, I was impressed with the demo, just not enough impressed to trade Carrara for it. Anyway, I don't need modeling tools as much as I do a higher end 3d paint system.

Thomas · 22nd June 2007, 07:39

I had a very long speech with one of the Modo developper about that Couerl

steama · 22nd June 2007, 15:37

Thanks for the comparisons and expert perspective Thomas.

Excellent useful information as ususal.

As far as my workflow goes Hexagon and Carrara are still excellent at doing the simple jobs I need 3d for and the price has always been the best for what you get IMHO (besides free). Man, sure Modo renders fine! Who wouldn't want that? Fantastic!

Take care everyone.

Couerl · 27th June 2007, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

I had a very long speech with one of the Modo developper about that Couerl

About which, the 3DPaint or the Fast Extrusion?

20th June 2007, 18:07	#1 (permalink)
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20th June 2007, 23:45	#2 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	After testing the modeling of Modo, now it's time to switch to the render.. This is my very first tests. Just a HDRI + GI. The model has been done in 5 min and is not the main subject here for these tests ;) Next step, finding how to use that damn dof! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

20th June 2007, 23:46	#3 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	Before the dof, just some SSS tests. Damn, Modo is pretty fast for that! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 00:08	#4 (permalink)
mayito7777 Hexagoner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 747 My Photos: (1) Images: 13	Looking very good, what is your opinion between Hexagon and Modo? (modelling I mean) __________________ Seek and ye shall find. JESUS Hexagon 2\|Carrara 6 Pro\|Photoshop CS2\| Painter X http://richchurchtoday.blogspot.com/

21st June 2007, 07:52	#5 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	Honnestly, I don't really like to model in Modo. It have a lot of very nice features, but some simple tasks are killing the modeling process. You have to cheat to avoid that. I also think that some of that stuff will change soon. You have also to consider that I have a very long road behind me with 3DSMax, Amapi and as you can imagine, Hexagon, which workflow for these three apps, is very far from Modo BTW, Modo will become for sure my renderer of choice (waiting the 301 __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 12:54	#7 (permalink)
mayito7777 Hexagoner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 747 My Photos: (1) Images: 13	My plan is to get Amapi 7.5 to use it as a modeller and I am undecided between Carrara and Modo, any input or suggestions would be apprecciated. __________________ Seek and ye shall find. JESUS Hexagon 2\|Carrara 6 Pro\|Photoshop CS2\| Painter X http://richchurchtoday.blogspot.com/

21st June 2007, 13:51	#8 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	It's hard for me to give an input, I don't know enough Modo yet for the rendering. But carrara have a lot of presets and effects that Modo don't have. It depends of what you want to do with it ;) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 13:55	#9 (permalink)
mayito7777 Hexagoner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 747 My Photos: (1) Images: 13	My basic interest it is in stills, maybe a little bit of animation. __________________ Seek and ye shall find. JESUS Hexagon 2\|Carrara 6 Pro\|Photoshop CS2\| Painter X http://richchurchtoday.blogspot.com/

21st June 2007, 14:17	#10 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	Oups, I wasn't enough explicit Which kind of still rendering? Environnement, characters, illustration, product design, etc? __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 14:18	#11 (permalink)
mayito7777 Hexagoner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 747 My Photos: (1) Images: 13	Oh, I got it, Product design, environment, illustration. __________________ Seek and ye shall find. JESUS Hexagon 2\|Carrara 6 Pro\|Photoshop CS2\| Painter X http://richchurchtoday.blogspot.com/

21st June 2007, 14:19	#12 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	Product Design, yeah, for sur! For the others, well, you will need a lot of Photoshop ;) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 16:19	#13 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 975 My Photos: (23) Images: 11	I thought MODO was too expensive for a rendering tool, and like Thomas says, way too complex for modeling. Everybody has to deal with deadlines, and my preference is take the direction and tools that are the least complicated and still can do the job adequately. Every choice has its compromises and trade-offs. What's perfect for one artist's needs may not work for another. If I retire rich, maybe I can experiment with the other applications. But I don't think artists get rich or retire... I'll probably croak at the easel... (uhh... make that at the computer). __________________ Portfolio / Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos

21st June 2007, 16:42	#14 (permalink)
Ringo Monfort Posts: n/a My Photos: (0)	Here is all the modo 301 info you need and its rendering features. http://www.luxology.com/whatismodo/301/ Just on rendering and new lighting the upgrade price is worth it.

21st June 2007, 17:15	#15 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	Nate: I didn't say that Modo was too complexe for modeling. I wasn't enough explicit on that point, sorry. I wanted to say that perhaps it doesn't suit my own workflow on 3D modeling, which is based a lot on edge modeling. Ringo: for the rendering improvment and network, yes, for the IES new features, it's not something I use, then, no way for me. I prefer more parameters for the falloff for the lights, ~~more~~ light FX, etc. We don't have to forget that Modo have a great UV editor and a great 3Dpaint, which also worth the price! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

21st June 2007, 18:33	#16 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 975 My Photos: (23) Images: 11	Right... too complex for my workflow __________________ Portfolio / Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos

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22nd June 2007, 05:20	#17 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,287 My Photos: (0) Images: 6	If Modo had a similar fast Extrusion workflow it would be pretty nice, I was impressed with the demo, just not enough impressed to trade Carrara for it. Anyway, I don't need modeling tools as much as I do a higher end 3d paint system.

22nd June 2007, 07:39	#18 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	I had a very long speech with one of the Modo developper about that Couerl __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

22nd June 2007, 15:37	#19 (permalink)
steama Boulet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 452 My Photos: (0)	Thanks for the comparisons and expert perspective Thomas. Excellent useful information as ususal. As far as my workflow goes Hexagon and Carrara are still excellent at doing the simple jobs I need 3d for and the price has always been the best for what you get IMHO (besides free). Man, sure Modo renders fine! Who wouldn't want that? Fantastic! Take care everyone.