Questions and answers on the DAZ acquisition - Page 7 - Polyloop

psaldari · 26th April 2006, 16:29

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Originally Posted by the_peculier

Point 4 is confusing. Why would Daz pay what I imagine a lot of money for two products then not support and develop?

Why DAZ have payed a lot of moneys for bryce then not develop it?

Danilo have made a correct analysis. DAZ does not have the abilities and credibility to continue a coherent development for this software.
Which importance has that it maintains the team of development of hex until to 2.1 version? And then?
I have spend moneys, I have spend time, creed to have spend uselessly!

Santo cielo! Eovia, why DAZ!
Now that with Hexagon 2 you could compete with the bigs of the 3D, why?

I had made curious professionals friends on hex 2, but now? Nobody wants to spend time and moneies in a software developed from one software house like the DAZ!

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by psaldari

Why DAZ have payed a lot of moneys for bryce then not develop it?

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

They are developing it. Bryce 6 is set for release this year. See Nichod's post directly above yours.

What the hell is up with you lot? Why do you have to take a negative stance based on bs of your own imagination?

psaldari · 26th April 2006, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

They are developing it. Bryce 6 is set for release this year. See Nichod's post directly above yours.

What the hell is up with you lot? Why do you have to take a negative stance based on bs of your own imagination?

finally!
but, excuseme, until I do not see this version 6 i do not creed.

However, how many years from version 5 to the version 6?

how much time will pass from carrara 5 to carrara 5.5 to carrara 6? ;)

the credibility of a software is also in the development speed

it is not only my imagination, I hope to mistake to me, indeed, if I mistake I will make pubic excuses on this forum

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by psaldari

finally!
but, excuseme, until I do not see this version 6 i do not creed.

However, how many years from version 5 to the version 6?

how much time will pass from carrara 5 to carrara 5.5 to carrara 6? ;)

the credibility of a software is also in the development speed

it is not only my imagination, I hope to mistake to me, indeed, if I mistake I will make pubic excuses on this forum

Obvioulsy haven't read Nichod's post then. They only bought Bryce. There was no dev team to go with it. The bought Carrara and the dev Team to go with it. Can you spot this simple differnce?

Bryce is being developed but by people who are having to learn from scratch what every line of code does. Think this is easy?

marcovth · 26th April 2006, 17:11

My predictions:
- Bryce will be killed after perhaps a version 6 this summer.
- Bryce will be replaced by Carrara Lite.
- Development on Carrara Pro will continue otherwise Daz investment is wasted !
+ Daz need a good development team, so they bought Eovia's !
- Carrara Pro will get "Ecosystems" features, and more optional renderers (Brazil etc).
- Hexagon 3 will be combined with DazStudio.

* Vue Infinite/xstream will be bought by Autodesk.
* DazCarrara main competitor will be Autodesk Max/Maya/Vue6.

I am missing something?

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcovth

My predictions:
- Bryce will be killed after perhaps a version 6 this summer.
- Bryce will be replaced by Carrara Lite.
- Development on Carrara Pro will continue otherwise Daz investment is wasted !
+ Daz need a good development team, so they bought Eovia's !
- Carrara Pro will get "Ecosystems" features, and more optional renderers (Brazil etc).
- Hexagon 3 will be combined with DazStudio.

* Vue Infinite/xstream will be bought by Autodesk.
* DazCarrara main competitor will be Autodesk Vue6.

I am missing something?

Hmm, one question?

Why combine Hexagon and DazStudio if keeping carrara seperate? The only people who want Hexagon are modellers. I think it will just have a setup for rigging poser and studio figures.

Otherwise probably as good as guess as anything

marcovth · 26th April 2006, 17:16

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Originally Posted by the_peculier

Hmm, one question?

Why combine Hexagon and DazStudio if keeping carrara seperate?

It makes sense to me to have one program for content creation, and one program for content display.

3dsMax can take long time to start up because it contains too many features and plugins.

Edit: with two seperate programs, Daz can charge you twice

Edit: a Hexagon/DazStudio combination will make it difficult for Modo/Silo to compete.

manleystanley · 26th April 2006, 17:24

the_peculier "this forum is NOT Eovia's it is Thomas's". ok, I was unaware of that. So maybe we're safe from this becoming the Vegas strip website Daz is; more the commercial site then the forum; which I can't say is any better Rendo, a site I almost got banned from 3 times because of my opinion of Po$er.
As soon as I open the site; before I can get to the forum, Firefox warns me of a blocked popup, this happens everytime I open a new page. Spam is the weekly Daz dispatch; it goes right into my spam folder and gets deleted. If it had more infomation and less commercial I wouldn't consider it spam. Yes I know I can stop it; but I will have to admit that free tree frog was cool, and that's why I don't, occasionally there is something interesting in it.
Vegas style, easy, all flash and cash, but no soul.
"If you are going to rant at least base it on reality." most uncalled for. I base my opinion on the commercial site; the wal-mart of the web. I rairly go to the forum, too much like Rendo.

I think the confusion here is some of this is about the commercial site, and some is about the forum. The forum it's self is ripe with self promotion. I mean I extreamly rairly see someone post here saying " my latest version of blahblah is done and on sale now at...." seems every other post at daz is.

" What the hell is up with you lot? Why do you have to take a negative stance based on bs of your own imagination?" woe, dud, mellow. There is no need for this hostility. People are expressing genuine concerns, and I dought they want to be put down for it.

"Go on then, define this statement and show an example". http://www.daz3d.com/index.php Just flip through, page after page of it. Yes on the commercial site, and as wips/examples in the forum. I mean you are aware that half of what is produced with DS is: if not porn, erotic art. And whether it's porn or not depends on your definition.

And that ends my responses to your postings, as I can see it getting ugly fast.

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcovth

It makes sense to me to have one program for content creation, and one program for content display.

Daz studio is a free software to get you into 3D for content display. I imagine this to remain but the coding to move towards Carrara so there will be a straight upgrade path. Hexagon to remain seperate and develop more fully along th emodelling lines.

But then I', just guessing too

DanRoberts · 26th April 2006, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

What the hell is up with you lot?

well alot right now actually, I mean think about it .... look at all the negative reaction. Lets lay it out in some sort of order ...

1) Eovia ... was developing two products Carrera and Hex that were getting alot of attention from "creators" Pro and Hobbiest alike. Especially with Hex and to some degree with Carrera.

2) The Buzz was big in this area and alot of "creators" were jumping on board ... because ... not only is the software cool and capable. It was (over the last couple of years) really showing commitment to getting a "Pro" feature set at really nice price points.

3) The future only looked bright ... for "creators".

4) Now ... a company that speciallizes in "not creating" but selling things "that are already created", buys the company.

5) Add to all the above ... the "bazaar" like atmosphere of the company image and web presence. And previous developement issues with Bryce etc.

6) Add to that .... their company leader hasnt one dropped over here to say hello or address directly any of the concerns many of us have posted. While at the same time its a frigging party over in the Daz forums.

7) Add to that .... man .... so many things.

Put just those things all together ... and ... er ...well ... you can get a feel for "what the heck is up with u lot"

... quite abit actually.

Tryll · 26th April 2006, 17:34

Yes. So Carrara will become the dollhouse builder of choice. Of course, if you currently use Carrara for say product visualization... well, you'll need to put up with 1000 choices of hair style and genitals.

I'm just guessing too.

danilo.massa · 26th April 2006, 17:47

Some years ago, an Italian industrial company, has acquired an US company that produced similar "articles" (excuse me if I don't report the names, but I think that you can understand the motives of it). I had been entrusted of managing the acquisition of the information technology area that operated on web and client/server applications (called Network Applications). I have handled in this acquisition more than 250 custom written applications (not so complex one by one as can be Carrara but more than ten times of the size of the Carrara product if they was added togheter).

So I have an enough realistic idea of the situations that DAZ go to create in Eovia (above all among the human resources). The confusion that is created during an acquisition of this type brings a lot of resources (developers) to leave, not because is treated badly by the new owners, but only because they are not felt to them anymore.

When Nichod affirms that the source code of Bryce was, already to the origin, complex and confused as "a dish of spaghetti" he is in the truth, but the following question is: has DAZ wanted to purchase it the same for which motive? It is not admissible to affirm that DAZ didn't know it.

I understand that the hopes of everybody here are that "nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transforming" but I sincerely have, in this case, big difficulties to hope that this operation has been a positive thing for my two beloved softwares.

Usually I am not a person that judges in advance however, as I have already written, I will give again (as I have already done with Bryce 5.5, even if I was remained enough disappointed) my trust to DAZ not withdrawing my order of purchase for Hexagon 2. I admit that, in the case of missed support and development of Carrara, it will be also the last time. I am Italian not stupid (I have got these phrase from a t-shirt that I have worn the first working day in the US).

Best regards to all and long life to Carrara and Hex.

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 17:48

manleystanley

There are no external adverts on the site.
There are no pop ups on the site. It does use java, so this maybe your problem. I use firefox and there are NO pop up alerts. I use IE at work and there are NO popups. You may need to check your computer for malware.
Nudity in the store and galleries is not allowed.
The newsletter can be unsubscribed from.
The newsletter is from a COMMERCIAL company. And contains info and products only sold at their site.
The forums have 30-40 thousand users, possible more. You try to regulate them.
Daz has a SKU count in the 4 figures, Eovia about 10 (ish). Spot the difference and so to comapre Eovia website and Daz website is just plain impossible.
So you are saying users of Carrara and Hexagon don't produce what you call Porn? Do not blame the tools for what the user does. If you did that cameras and pens would fall under the same category.

marcovth · 26th April 2006, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

Daz studio is a free software to get you into 3D for content display.

DazStudio is not only for display. You can also setup bones with it to animate your models. With bones, Hexagon will be a very interesting program for Daz to get content for the company ready to sell. Combining the two, and make Carrara the main display program (Carrara Lite for free?) would make sense to me.

I prefer Eovia to remain an independent company. But I think the above will happen.

psaldari · 26th April 2006, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

Obvioulsy haven't read Nichod's post then. They only bought Bryce. There was no dev team to go with it. The bought Carrara and the dev Team to go with it. Can you spot this simple differnce?

Bryce is being developed but by people who are having to learn from scratch what every line of code does. Think this is easy?

Yes, I am not a stupid. But if you read to others post, this dev team will not follow always the development. For hex 2 it is guaranteed until version 2.1, perhaps these development are already in working, but then?
However, the only think I can "spot" and I can "think easy" is the the tone in your replys.
Man, if you want to understand my fear, ok (and this is not only my fear), if you want to see all pink, the same one goes well for me.
But I do not share your optimism.
I hope that you have reason, if mistake, as I have already said, I make my public excuses on this forum.
end of the transmissions

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcovth

DazStudio is not only for display. You can also setup bones with it to animate your models. With bones, Hexagon will be a very interesting program for Daz to get content for the company ready to sell. Combining the two, and make Carrara the main display program (Carrara Lite for free?) would make sense to me.

I prefer Eovia to remain an independent company. But I think the above will happen.

The bones thing is news to me as Daz themselves say you need Poser to rig anything for use in Daz Studio

marcovth · 26th April 2006, 18:00

Other than Bryce, which other (Nature) program could Daz have bought to display the content they sell?

- Carrara ?
- Vue 4 was not for sell it seems.
- Worldbuilder might be for sell at the moment (development is dead it seems), but not two years ago. Besides, Worldbuilder seems quite difficult to use.
- ...

marcovth · 26th April 2006, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

The bones thing is news to me as Daz themselves say you need Poser to rig anything for use in Daz Studio

Oh ... then I am wrong. I have tested the program 2 years ago.

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by psaldari

Yes, I am not a stupid. But if you read to others post, this dev team will not follow always the development. For hex 2 it is guaranteed until version 2.1, perhaps these development are already in working, but then?
However, the only think I can "spot" and I can "think easy" is the the tone in your replys.
Man, if you want to understand my fear, ok (and this is not only my fear), if you want to see all pink, the same one goes well for me.
But I do not share your optimism.
I hope that you have reason, if mistake, as I have already said, I make my public excuses on this forum.
end of the transmissions

It is not optimism. But I base my fears and future vision on facts. You stated that Bryce was not being developed and based you whole fears around this. This was wrong.

the_peculier · 26th April 2006, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcovth

Oh ... then I am wrong. I have tested the program 2 years ago.

You might not be, I don't use it. It was a post from Steve Krondis that said you need Poser to rig. This was about a month ago. Maybe they removed it so it would be achargable plugin?

26th April 2006, 17:24	#128 (permalink)
manleystanley Box modeling Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	the_peculier "this forum is NOT Eovia's it is Thomas's". ok, I was unaware of that. So maybe we're safe from this becoming the Vegas strip website Daz is; more the commercial site then the forum; which I can't say is any better Rendo, a site I almost got banned from 3 times because of my opinion of Po$er. As soon as I open the site; before I can get to the forum, Firefox warns me of a blocked popup, this happens everytime I open a new page. Spam is the weekly Daz dispatch; it goes right into my spam folder and gets deleted. If it had more infomation and less commercial I wouldn't consider it spam. Yes I know I can stop it; but I will have to admit that free tree frog was cool, and that's why I don't, occasionally there is something interesting in it. Vegas style, easy, all flash and cash, but no soul. "If you are going to rant at least base it on reality." most uncalled for. I base my opinion on the commercial site; the wal-mart of the web. I rairly go to the forum, too much like Rendo. I think the confusion here is some of this is about the commercial site, and some is about the forum. The forum it's self is ripe with self promotion. I mean I extreamly rairly see someone post here saying " my latest version of blahblah is done and on sale now at...." seems every other post at daz is. " What the hell is up with you lot? Why do you have to take a negative stance based on bs of your own imagination?" woe, dud, mellow. There is no need for this hostility. People are expressing genuine concerns, and I dought they want to be put down for it. "Go on then, define this statement and show an example". http://www.daz3d.com/index.php Just flip through, page after page of it. Yes on the commercial site, and as wips/examples in the forum. I mean you are aware that half of what is produced with DS is: if not porn, erotic art. And whether it's porn or not depends on your definition. And that ends my responses to your postings, as I can see it getting ugly fast. __________________ What forest? All I see are trees.

26th April 2006, 17:47	#132 (permalink)
danilo.massa Securityman ! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Turin Posts: 142	Some years ago, an Italian industrial company, has acquired an US company that produced similar "articles" (excuse me if I don't report the names, but I think that you can understand the motives of it). I had been entrusted of managing the acquisition of the information technology area that operated on web and client/server applications (called Network Applications). I have handled in this acquisition more than 250 custom written applications (not so complex one by one as can be Carrara but more than ten times of the size of the Carrara product if they was added togheter). So I have an enough realistic idea of the situations that DAZ go to create in Eovia (above all among the human resources). The confusion that is created during an acquisition of this type brings a lot of resources (developers) to leave, not because is treated badly by the new owners, but only because they are not felt to them anymore. When Nichod affirms that the source code of Bryce was, already to the origin, complex and confused as "a dish of spaghetti" he is in the truth, but the following question is: has DAZ wanted to purchase it the same for which motive? It is not admissible to affirm that DAZ didn't know it. I understand that the hopes of everybody here are that "nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transforming" but I sincerely have, in this case, big difficulties to hope that this operation has been a positive thing for my two beloved softwares. Usually I am not a person that judges in advance however, as I have already written, I will give again (as I have already done with Bryce 5.5, even if I was remained enough disappointed) my trust to DAZ not withdrawing my order of purchase for Hexagon 2. I admit that, in the case of missed support and development of Carrara, it will be also the last time. I am Italian not stupid (I have got these phrase from a t-shirt that I have worn the first working day in the US). Best regards to all and long life to Carrara and Hex. __________________ 2 x P4 2.8 Ghz, ATI9700, 1Gb of Ram, Win XP SP2 1 x Core Duo 1.66 Ghz, ATI X1400, 2Gb of Ram, Win XP SP2

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26th April 2006, 17:11	#125 (permalink)
marcovth NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 139	My predictions: - Bryce will be killed after perhaps a version 6 this summer. - Bryce will be replaced by Carrara Lite. - Development on Carrara Pro will continue otherwise Daz investment is wasted ! + Daz need a good development team, so they bought Eovia's ! - Carrara Pro will get "Ecosystems" features, and more optional renderers (Brazil etc). - Hexagon 3 will be combined with DazStudio. * Vue Infinite/xstream will be bought by Autodesk. * DazCarrara main competitor will be Autodesk Max/Maya/Vue6. I am missing something?

26th April 2006, 17:34	#131 (permalink)
Tryll Vertex Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10	Yes. So Carrara will become the dollhouse builder of choice. Of course, if you currently use Carrara for say product visualization... well, you'll need to put up with 1000 choices of hair style and genitals. I'm just guessing too.

26th April 2006, 17:48	#133 (permalink)
the_peculier Spline Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 45	manleystanley There are no external adverts on the site. There are no pop ups on the site. It does use java, so this maybe your problem. I use firefox and there are NO pop up alerts. I use IE at work and there are NO popups. You may need to check your computer for malware. Nudity in the store and galleries is not allowed. The newsletter can be unsubscribed from. The newsletter is from a COMMERCIAL company. And contains info and products only sold at their site. The forums have 30-40 thousand users, possible more. You try to regulate them. Daz has a SKU count in the 4 figures, Eovia about 10 (ish). Spot the difference and so to comapre Eovia website and Daz website is just plain impossible. So you are saying users of Carrara and Hexagon don't produce what you call Porn? Do not blame the tools for what the user does. If you did that cameras and pens would fall under the same category.

26th April 2006, 18:00	#137 (permalink)
marcovth NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 139	Other than Bryce, which other (Nature) program could Daz have bought to display the content they sell? - Carrara ? - Vue 4 was not for sell it seems. - Worldbuilder might be for sell at the moment (development is dead it seems), but not two years ago. Besides, Worldbuilder seems quite difficult to use. - ...