Questions and answers on the DAZ acquisition

[schuubars]

Originally Posted by tyrell

I'm going to make a risky speculation here about cutting out the French team. Don't feel sorry for these guys. I have a feeling that that was their choices. If anything, they will be okay. Soon I won't be surprised if they become owners of a new 3d company.

would be nice.

[Piem]

Brillant idea !! O_O

[sculptn]

Yep, that is kind of strange that in a world so driven by Brand recognition that the Eovia "Brand" would be left behind when it obviously means so much to many of us...
but than again maybe that was part of the merger deal, since Eovia Europe remains.

-jeff

[CarlDesmond]

dtacy1, DoZ, Patrick210, sculptn, T-Rex, Kool, art3d, Hymedia, EoviaBob, dustrider, -ash-, dlk30341

I love you guys too... and you too again Bob ;P

[Kool]

Originally Posted by tyrell

I'm going to make a risky speculation here about cutting out the French team. Don't feel sorry for these guys. I have a feeling that that was their choices. If anything, they will be okay. Soon I won't be surprised if they become owners of a new 3d company.

good idea, but... if all the "technology rights" of hexagon have been send to DAZ, it is possible for the french team to use it for an other product ?

[mikeha]

Originally Posted by Kool

good idea, but... if all the "technology rights" of hexagon have been send to DAZ, it is possible for the french team to use it for an other product ?

Well of course they won't be able to use it for a new product, but there's nothing stopping them from coming up with their own product built from scratch.

[Tryll]

Oh joy. As a registered user of Carrara Pro, and Poser since version 1, I recently bought Hexagon, instead of Modo, because of the price difference and the upgrade to 2. I've been moving away from Lightwave and Cinema4D for my (limited) 3D work, because the Eovia products can accomplish the goals, are more affordable, and seem to be moving in a more professional direction. I only do 3D part-time, but when I do, it is for professional purposes, not as a hobbyist.

DAZ looks like a hobby company. They make digital dollhouses. Their direction is not at all like Eovia was looking. Their tools do not interest me. A closer integration of the Eovia tools with the DAZ tools do not interest me. In fact, it will dilute the product with not only clutter, but new DAZ-related bugs.

I'm extremely disappointed with myself for getting involved in these tools, with the trust I placed in Eovia, and with my recent purchase of Hexagon, VectorStyle, etc.

Sigh. Looks like it's time to change plans, again. I don't need GI-Joes, Barbies, or dollhouses.

[Sardtok]

Well,
personally I don't like DAZ,
and I would much rather have seen it end up with Eovia a DAZ company, like when it was TSR than this...
I really liked the Eovia website, it was nice, had a sleek design, worked well, was even well-integrated with this site (although I don't visit here much, had to stop by to check out the merger discussion)...
But I guess this would be difficult if Eovia Europe kept the name...

Who will continue to develop Hexagon?
People from the Carrara team?
Are they familiar with the Hexagon code?
These things are important issues to me, as I'd like to see continued development kept up to the current speed...
Familiarising oneself with someone elses code, even when you know the principals of it, takes time,
and it takes even longer if you are going to take a set of two teams, remove one, and now one team is going to code two products...
Now I guess you'll be bringing in new people too, (and I guess these would be DAZ people first and foremost), so speed might not slow down that much, but I'd still like to know.

Thanks.

[Tryll]

Oh joy. As a registered user of Carrara Pro, and Poser since version 1, I recently bought Hexagon, instead of Modo, because of the price difference and the upgrade to 2. I've been moving away from Lightwave and Cinema4D for my (limited) 3D work, because the Eovia products can accomplish the goals, are more affordable, and seem to be moving in a more professional direction. I only do 3D part-time, but when I do, it is for professional purposes, not as a hobbyist.

DAZ looks like a hobby company. They make digital dollhouses. Their direction is not at all like Eovia was looking. Their tools do not interest me. A closer integration of the Eovia tools with the DAZ tools do not interest me. In fact, it will dilute the product with not only clutter, but new DAZ-related bugs.

I'm extremely disappointed with myself for getting involved in these tools, with the trust I placed in Eovia, and with my recent purchase of Hexagon, VectorStyle, etc.

Sigh. Looks like it's time to change plans, again. I don't really need GI-Joes, Barbies, or dollhouses for my 3D work.

[Corndog]

Originally Posted by JakalDesign

For those of us that no longer wish to support the product line (because of the buy out by DAZ) and have already pre-ordered Hex2, be able to get a refund?

I too have cancelled my Hex 2 pre order..

I would really like to know just how much was paid to take away something that you guys seemed to be so passionate about..

I have C5P and Hex 1.5 for sale along with many DCG plugins.
I cannot invest anymore time learning this software not knowing where it is going for sure. I feel abandoned.

[EoviaBob]

Originally Posted by sculptn

Yep, that is kind of strange that in a world so driven by Brand recognition that the Eovia "Brand" would be left behind when it obviously means so much to many of us...

Is the brand recognition in Eovia?
Or is it in the product brands -- Carrara and Hexagon?
When you tell people what software you use, do you say "I use Eovia Carrara."?
Or do you say "I use Carrara."?

[schuubars]

True, but at the end it has more to do with the company behind the product, or why are so many fanboys of software/companys out there ? :D


btw what happens now to the devs of Hexagon?

Some hints maybe?

[koncz]

Not in the original subject (sorry for this).

Bob, have you receive my today mail ?

Thanks for the answer

Georges.

[dlk30341]

This all just my opine, I don't really think this anything to with Daz the "company" just Poser...since that what Daz sells. Most people HATE Poser(I'm not one of them) because of all the nudies & lack of creativity that follows. This I can understand somewhat, since typically when a new human model comes out...the 1st thing a lot of people say are "where are the genitials...where are the nipples" Followed by "what button do I hit to make them bigger"


All that said....this is the USERS of the software & not the software itself. Same with Bryce & the spheres over water & Vue now with just mountains packed with trees.

You can't blame Daz for selling to these people. That said at least there you don't see 100 types of bras/leather fetish clothes etc etc. Why is it the modelers are always looking down on their customers anyway, I don't get this.

There is good artwork there in all the above mentioned areas...you just have to look & bypass the rest.

[dburdick]

This acquisition has all the all the earmarks of a distressed sale. The fact that DAZ did not acquire the HEX develpoment team is a major negative for a well received product that is so early in its evolution. DAZ should consider publishing some type of statement which indicates how it plans to address on-going HEX development to reassure the user-base and the market in general.

Also, merging the brand identities right away I think will hurt, rather than help DAZ. They should have just left Eovia alone for a while and then merged the brands and products together slowly over time.

DAZ is a wonderful content company but it's track record on software is limited. I still have doubts about DAZ's ability to sufficiently fund R&D for both Carrera and Hex.

[-ash-]

Originally Posted by EoviaBob

Is the brand recognition in Eovia?
Or is it in the product brands -- Carrara and Hexagon?
When you tell people what software you use, do you say "I use Eovia Carrara."?
Or do you say "I use Carrara."?

It was the whole package, Eovia the company, the developers, the users, the customer support, this site, the Eovia site, the plugin developers like Eric, the friendly responses to questions and comments on other forums such as 3dExtract and renderosity. That package has now been split asunder. Some of the developers are no longer there, some users are leaving.

When I tell people what software I use I say(I suppose used to say), "Carrara and Hexagon, from Eovia". Or I say, "Eovia, the people who make the apps I use are doing great things with Hex V2".

I'm really very sorry to see this go. As I said yesterday on this forum:

The best companies I've dealt with have all been smaller, like Eovia, Nevercentre, DCG, etc. They are closer to their customers and listen to what they are saying. Once they get bigger they seem to lose the ability to listen and to provide what their customers are looking for.

The Eovia community is very good, the combination of the users, the company and the plugin creators is something special in this world of computer giants like Microsoft. So I'm still hoping Eovia have not been bought by someone else. And if they have acquired or merged with another company then I hope they maintain the user focus that they currently have.

Well it looks like it's gone the way of other smaller companies, bought out by one with more money. Perhaps the tools will develop ok but that overall package will never be the same.

It's a shame.

[fabster]

Originally Posted by EoviaBob

Is the brand recognition in Eovia?
Or is it in the product brands -- Carrara and Hexagon?
When you tell people what software you use, do you say "I use Eovia Carrara."?
Or do you say "I use Carrara."?

Of course Bob we only say we use Carrara, but that's Eovia which brought the fame in it, which made it sound a serious contender to professional packages. Daz is still a brand that aims mainly at hobbyists. These are 2 differents businesses aren't they?

Daz owning Eovia will bring Carrara & Hex "to the masses", but some people might be reluctant to go to the Daz website to look for a serious package.

But may be that'll part of your challenge as a marketing guy to convince the professional 3D world that Daz will not degrade the spirit that Eovia brought to their product?

(by the way, and also as a marketing guy, did you put in your "to do list" to re-look the Daz website? It really looks like an Istanbul bazaar, compared to the instutitionnal look of the Eovia site... )

[achrystie]

I'm interested in finding out what will be provided by Daz for Hexagon, short term, for its soon to be released incarnation (2.0), which looked to be something I'd like to purchase, once I get a chance to test it out.

Unfortunately, reading all this has made me quite sad that people just don't seem to "get" what business and product development is all about in our modern world/economy. I'm willing to say, probably to the offense of many, and I apologize in advance as I'm sure you're very nice people as you seem to be, that the problem is really not the DAZ acquisition at this point, it is, for a surprisingly large number of people, the complete "lack" of understanding of how to/why to purchase a product, what mindset to have, and how to evaluate it. I've most likely also offended many of the "marketing" people with my statement, because it is this very mindset that feeds marketing plans and fills preorders. Rather than retype my small words of wisdom, here is a link to a post I put up on subdivisionmodeling.com.

http://www.subdivisionmodeling.com/f...p?t=917&page=3

Really think about it, and if I offend, I apologize again.
Good luck to you all, get to work on the art you can make now, not what you "could" make if Hexagon 2 was released.

ABC

[-ash-]

I'd like to add, DAZ has bought the tools and the technology and some of the development team. What they did not buy is the Eovia 'experience' that we have all grown to love. This is what we are all missing now that it is gone.

Whether the DAZ experience is comparable remains to be seen. However, unless I've missed it, I have yet to see a post from one of the DAZ team on an Eovia product forum (I don't count Bob - he's still Eovia in my book).

Not a good start IMHO to welcoming us to the DAZ 'family'.

[siriusin]

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