Questions and answers on the DAZ acquisition - Page 4 - Polyloop

fabster · 25th April 2006, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by EoviaBob

We'd make the feature that fits the product line we currently have.

(...)

We will remain true to what the software is built to do.

Bob

thanks Bob for that!!

I guess that's what most of us need to hear right, and what most of us will expect from you in the future

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by schuubars

First sorry for my bad english, nice little forum here.

Another question.

Could it now happen that i will get every week a promotion mail in my email box for this premade content?(from daz) (i would call it spam...IMO)

I really hope not.

You would be wrong to call it spam as it is up to you to select whether you receive the newsletters or not.

schuubars · 25th April 2006, 22:01

hmm i don't think that daz will ask me about that, i mean whats up with current users from eovia?
Sure i have selected to recieve a newsletter, but from eovia, what will happen with my personal user(registration) data ?
sry for english maybe, you see my point a bit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_peculier

You would be wrong to call it spam as it is up to you to select whether you receive the newsletters or not.

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by schuubars

hmm i don't think that daz will ask me about that, i mean whats up with current users from eovia?
Sure i have selected to recieve a newsletter, but from eovia, what will happen ?
sry for english maybe you see my point.

rest easy, just in case the first one does slip through there is an unsubscribe option at the bottom of each newsletter.

Locki · 25th April 2006, 22:17

We're anxious, that's all ... especially when you learn that the team that created and developed Hexagon is not included in the bought lot.

DomTo1 · 25th April 2006, 22:20

Bob, I think you may have missed the point of the question from Piem.

Disregard the numbers for a moment - or multiply by 10,000 - and consider the basics. If there was a considerable request/requirement by users that both a 'cosmetic niceity' and 'professional' type functionality be developed and those were the only 2 choices... where would your resources be directed to in order to provide them?

I think it's more of a 'where will your direction be' , than an 'I want this' question. Eovia users are looking to get a sense of what your intentions are in respecting the software and it's vision as YOU now see it as a DAZ property. There's enough speculation and fear of what 'could' happen given the ownership change. It's neccesary at some point that the underlying concerns are answered in a straight forward manner without the marketing hype/angle answers. Now's the best time to address it before you lose current users.

Someone somewhere knows why the buyout was done and what the general direction will be, and how it will affect the current user base. Prolonging the answers may suit someone's idea of a marketing strategy, but that's of no comfort to those who have purchased the previous and current versions of the product - and care about it's future and their use of it as it matures.

I for one like the products as they are and hope that the development continues on the current track - BUT - make no mistake... I will not hesitate to go elsewhere if the products become 'un-useful' for me.

tyrell · 25th April 2006, 22:26

Great post DomTo1. My ears are fully open to the answers. This is a tipping point for me no matter what.

DomTo1 · 25th April 2006, 22:41

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Originally Posted by tyrell

Great post DomTo1. My ears are fully open to the answers. This is a tipping point for me no matter what.

Thanks... And for me as well.

I should note that I own every product concerned, including Poser and Bryce.. and almost all of the plugins for both c5pro and Daz Studio... all purchased within the last 6 months. This is not a small investment for me, and I could have used those nickles and dimes to buy C4D, Modo, LW, Rhino, etc.

That also brings to mind another question... What about the plug-in developers? How does this affect them, if at all?

Piem · 25th April 2006, 22:44

Thanks

Indeed, there was a major direction with this question.However, I said thanks to Bob, because I suspect , that the sales manager can only have answers according to his commercial competences (which I also understand) but which is not necessarily thoses of the Boss (Da Boss

). the Boss only is entitled to influence such a choice to the development chief.It's a crucial matter. and a question of global direction or vision

DomTo1 · 25th April 2006, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piem

Thanks

Indeed, there was a major direction with this question.However, I said thanks to Bob, because I suspect , that the sales manager can only have answers according to his commercial competences (which I also understand) but which is not necessarily thoses of the Boss (Da Boss

). the Boss only is entitled to influence such a choice to the development chief.It's a crucial matter. and a question of global direction or vision

Perfectly understandable, Piem... thanks for adding that. If it's not something that Bob can answer, then Dan Farr could. Forum registration is free!

dustrider · 25th April 2006, 22:51

I can understand the concern expessed so far, and I am also concerned about the news. But I think this could be a very positive move, and possibly provide Carrara and Hex useres with some fantastic tools in the future.

Yes, the lack of any major improvements in Bryce since DAZ bought it can be cited as a reason for concern about DAZ getting Carrara and Hex. But, keep in mind that Bryce was basically "dead/antique" code when DAZ got it. Corel, which was huge when it bought Bryce, couldn't do much with it, so why would anyone expect DAZ to bring it up to par over night (or even in 2-3 years). Obviously, most of the code needs to be completely redone to bring it up to modern software standards. From comments I've seen, the 5.5 upgrade had issues, which only helps to reinforce the notion that Bryce needed a total overhaul.

DAZ Studio (DS) was written from the ground up by DAZ. It's given away free (as tellware), and is exactly what DAZ say's it is. They have never tried to hide the fact that DS was created so that people could use their content (without Poser). In other communities such a bold bussiness move would be applauded, but for some odd reason many in the Poser community have done nothing but trash DAZ for creating DS. DS has a very powerful integration of Open GL, which gives a smoother and more responsive user interface than Poser, or C5, when using DAZ or Poser content. This great OGL performance is no small feat, and shows that DAZ does have some very good techincal expertise.

DAZ has been primarily a content creation company. But does this doesn't mean that Carrara is dead. This may be an indication that DAZ is committed to being a full sevice 3D provider, which could translate into some awsome improvements and new features for C6.

Only time will tell if the aquisition of Carrara and Hex by DAZ will be positive for those of us that have invested our time and money in Carrara and/or Hex. But I'm very optimistic that the future of Carrara will be very good. I do have a few reservations regarding future of Hex, since it was the French team that brought it to life. But I trust what Bob S. has said, and he seems to be very up beat and positive about DAZ and the future of Hex, so when I can afford it, I plan to go ahead and upgrade to Hex2.

DR

marcovth · 25th April 2006, 23:14

I will promise to make content for Daz if they give Hex to me for free, and I will announce that all across the Modo & Silo newsgroups (tellware)

dburdick · 25th April 2006, 23:21

Is it true that the development team from Hexagon was not included in the acqisition?

EMC · 25th April 2006, 23:28

Could you guys not re-brand Eovia to DAZ. Just look at the replies... almost everyone, and all possible new buyers on this and other forums (save DAZ), don't like DAZ: the company, the content, or the ascetics and taste they have. Neither do they want to buy Hex or Carrara from the DAZ store. It seems to me it would be wise to keep "DAZ" as content, and "Eovia" (or if they lost the rights to that name, some other name that is not "DAZ") as software, bringing Bryce, Mimic, and DAZ|Studio under this new "company", and thereby bringing them up in peoples estimation instead of bring Carrara and Hex down. New buyers looking for cheaper "pro" apps would not turn there noses up, as they already are with "DAZ".

Please consider it. I liked Eovia, I respect the dev team, and know they'll do a good job. I am willing to believe that DAZ will be returning the days of Metacreations (hopefully without the failings), and give Charles and his dev team free reign. I'm willing to believe Charles can pickup development of Hex with out skipping a beat, keeping Hex and Carrara true to form, and attacking the soft underbelly of high-end apps. Bet even in all this magnanimity, I still don't want to buy Charles' programs through DAZ. I would prefer DAZ to be a sugar daddy instead of a pimp.

Sorry for being at times so venomous, but it just seems that DAZ is buying more than just Hexagon and Carrara, they are buy Eovia's reputations, and in this market - disregaurding whether or not it should be - it is very important.

EoviaBob · 25th April 2006, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomTo1

...Disregard the numbers for a moment - or multiply by 10,000 - and consider the basics. If there was a considerable request/requirement by users that both a 'cosmetic niceity' and 'professional' type functionality be developed and those were the only 2 choices... where would your resources be directed to in order to provide them?...

We will continue to push upward with our releases. Our aim is, as always, to drive high-level features into our software while making the software easier to use. "Cosmetic nicety" does not fit with that aim.

We will remain focused in this direction with our software, regardless of the badge placed on the hood.

philebus · 25th April 2006, 23:41

DAZ didn't buy eovia - europe, I imagine that the eovia name will stay there so the option probably wasn't open for DAZ to consider.

-ash- · 25th April 2006, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by EMC

Could you guys not re-brand Eovia to DAZ. Just look at the replies... almost everyone, and all possible new buyers on this and other forums (save DAZ), don't like DAZ: the company, the content, or the ascetics and taste they have. Neither do they want to buy Hex or Carrara from the DAZ store. It seems to me it would be wise to keep "DAZ" as content, and "Eovia" (or if they lost the rights to that name, some other name that is not "DAZ") as software, bringing Bryce, Mimic, and DAZ|Studio under this new "company", and thereby bringing them up in peoples estimation instead of bring Carrara and Hex down. New buyers looking for cheaper "pro" apps would not turn there noses up, as they already are with "DAZ".

Please consider it. I liked Eovia, I respect the dev team, and know they'll do a good job. I am willing to believe that DAZ will be returning the days of Metacreations (hopefully without the failings), and give Charles and his dev team free reign. I'm willing to believe Charles can pickup development of Hex with out skipping a beat, keeping Hex and Carrara true to form, and attacking the soft underbelly of high-end apps. Bet even in all this magnanimity, I still don't want to buy Charles' programs through DAZ. I would prefer DAZ to be a sugar daddy instead of a pimp.

Sorry for being at times so venomous, but it just seems that DAZ is buying more than just Hexagon and Carrara, they are buy Eovia's reputations, and in this market - disregaurding whether or not it should be - it is very important.

I echo this sentiment. I think DAZ missed a trick here. The Eovia brand has just been lost to them. It isn't just the tools that sell, it's the whole deal including customer support, updates, etc. that make the brand name. There is awareness of the DAZ brand but it is associated with content and unfortunately the so called 'push button' art that is not well thought of in the 3D world.

From this point of view it might have been better to quietly buy Eovia and slowly integrate the products without all this publicity. Or, as suggested have a completely different name.

Though, reading the DAZ forums it is generally seen as a positive thing for DAZ. So it all depends on your point of view.

I'm just really sorry to see the French team cut out of the deal. Must be really hard for them all to be left out after the great work on Hex.

Piem · 25th April 2006, 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by EoviaBob

We will continue to push upward with our releases. Our aim is, as always, to drive high-level features into our software while making the software easier to use. "Cosmetic nicety" does not fit with that aim.

We will remain focused in this direction with our software, regardless of the badge placed on the hood.

THAT'S IT !!
That is exactly what I wanted to read ..

I remember that "carrara basics" is also a kind of..ahem..come on... you know what

tyrell · 25th April 2006, 23:54

I'm going to make a risky speculation here about cutting out the French team. Don't feel sorry for these guys. I have a feeling that that was their choices. If anything, they will be okay. Soon I won't be surprised if they become owners of a new 3d company.

-ash- · 25th April 2006, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyrell

I'm going to make a risky speculation here about cutting out the French team. Don't feel sorry for these guys. I have a feeling that that was their choices. If anything, they will be okay. Soon I won't be surprised if they become owners of a new 3d company.

Well I hope that is the case, and I'll keep an eye open for some great stuff if it happens

Perhaps Thomas will drop some hints here at some future time

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Locki 3D zingué Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 3ème planète après Sol, au fond du couloir, à droite Posts: 2,138	We're anxious, that's all ... especially when you learn that the team that created and developed Hexagon is not included in the bought lot. __________________ cherche le Nord depuis de nombreuses années. Pour le moment je suis encore à l'Ouest.

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25th April 2006, 22:20	#66 (permalink)
DomTo1 Spline Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 34	Bob, I think you may have missed the point of the question from Piem. Disregard the numbers for a moment - or multiply by 10,000 - and consider the basics. If there was a considerable request/requirement by users that both a 'cosmetic niceity' and 'professional' type functionality be developed and those were the only 2 choices... where would your resources be directed to in order to provide them? I think it's more of a 'where will your direction be' , than an 'I want this' question. Eovia users are looking to get a sense of what your intentions are in respecting the software and it's vision as YOU now see it as a DAZ property. There's enough speculation and fear of what 'could' happen given the ownership change. It's neccesary at some point that the underlying concerns are answered in a straight forward manner without the marketing hype/angle answers. Now's the best time to address it before you lose current users. Someone somewhere knows why the buyout was done and what the general direction will be, and how it will affect the current user base. Prolonging the answers may suit someone's idea of a marketing strategy, but that's of no comfort to those who have purchased the previous and current versions of the product - and care about it's future and their use of it as it matures. I for one like the products as they are and hope that the development continues on the current track - BUT - make no mistake... I will not hesitate to go elsewhere if the products become 'un-useful' for me.

25th April 2006, 22:26	#67 (permalink)
tyrell Spline Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52	Great post DomTo1. My ears are fully open to the answers. This is a tipping point for me no matter what.

25th April 2006, 22:44	#69 (permalink)
Piem Booh! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rennes/fr Posts: 6,644	Thanks Indeed, there was a major direction with this question.However, I said thanks to Bob, because I suspect , that the sales manager can only have answers according to his commercial competences (which I also understand) but which is not necessarily thoses of the Boss (Da Boss ). the Boss only is entitled to influence such a choice to the development chief.It's a crucial matter. and a question of global direction or vision

25th April 2006, 22:51	#71 (permalink)
dustrider Vertex Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1	I can understand the concern expessed so far, and I am also concerned about the news. But I think this could be a very positive move, and possibly provide Carrara and Hex useres with some fantastic tools in the future. Yes, the lack of any major improvements in Bryce since DAZ bought it can be cited as a reason for concern about DAZ getting Carrara and Hex. But, keep in mind that Bryce was basically "dead/antique" code when DAZ got it. Corel, which was huge when it bought Bryce, couldn't do much with it, so why would anyone expect DAZ to bring it up to par over night (or even in 2-3 years). Obviously, most of the code needs to be completely redone to bring it up to modern software standards. From comments I've seen, the 5.5 upgrade had issues, which only helps to reinforce the notion that Bryce needed a total overhaul. DAZ Studio (DS) was written from the ground up by DAZ. It's given away free (as tellware), and is exactly what DAZ say's it is. They have never tried to hide the fact that DS was created so that people could use their content (without Poser). In other communities such a bold bussiness move would be applauded, but for some odd reason many in the Poser community have done nothing but trash DAZ for creating DS. DS has a very powerful integration of Open GL, which gives a smoother and more responsive user interface than Poser, or C5, when using DAZ or Poser content. This great OGL performance is no small feat, and shows that DAZ does have some very good techincal expertise. DAZ has been primarily a content creation company. But does this doesn't mean that Carrara is dead. This may be an indication that DAZ is committed to being a full sevice 3D provider, which could translate into some awsome improvements and new features for C6. Only time will tell if the aquisition of Carrara and Hex by DAZ will be positive for those of us that have invested our time and money in Carrara and/or Hex. But I'm very optimistic that the future of Carrara will be very good. I do have a few reservations regarding future of Hex, since it was the French team that brought it to life. But I trust what Bob S. has said, and he seems to be very up beat and positive about DAZ and the future of Hex, so when I can afford it, I plan to go ahead and upgrade to Hex2. DR

25th April 2006, 23:14	#72 (permalink)
marcovth NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 139	I will promise to make content for Daz if they give Hex to me for free, and I will announce that all across the Modo & Silo newsgroups (tellware)

25th April 2006, 23:21	#73 (permalink)
dburdick Vertex Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	Is it true that the development team from Hexagon was not included in the acqisition?

25th April 2006, 23:28	#74 (permalink)
EMC Vertex Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 17	Could you guys not re-brand Eovia to DAZ. Just look at the replies... almost everyone, and all possible new buyers on this and other forums (save DAZ), don't like DAZ: the company, the content, or the ascetics and taste they have. Neither do they want to buy Hex or Carrara from the DAZ store. It seems to me it would be wise to keep "DAZ" as content, and "Eovia" (or if they lost the rights to that name, some other name that is not "DAZ") as software, bringing Bryce, Mimic, and DAZ\|Studio under this new "company", and thereby bringing them up in peoples estimation instead of bring Carrara and Hex down. New buyers looking for cheaper "pro" apps would not turn there noses up, as they already are with "DAZ". Please consider it. I liked Eovia, I respect the dev team, and know they'll do a good job. I am willing to believe that DAZ will be returning the days of Metacreations (hopefully without the failings), and give Charles and his dev team free reign. I'm willing to believe Charles can pickup development of Hex with out skipping a beat, keeping Hex and Carrara true to form, and attacking the soft underbelly of high-end apps. Bet even in all this magnanimity, I still don't want to buy Charles' programs through DAZ. I would prefer DAZ to be a sugar daddy instead of a pimp. Sorry for being at times so venomous, but it just seems that DAZ is buying more than just Hexagon and Carrara, they are buy Eovia's reputations, and in this market - disregaurding whether or not it should be - it is very important.

25th April 2006, 23:41	#76 (permalink)
philebus Spline Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 37	DAZ didn't buy eovia - europe, I imagine that the eovia name will stay there so the option probably wasn't open for DAZ to consider.

25th April 2006, 23:54	#79 (permalink)
tyrell Spline Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52	I'm going to make a risky speculation here about cutting out the French team. Don't feel sorry for these guys. I have a feeling that that was their choices. If anything, they will be okay. Soon I won't be surprised if they become owners of a new 3d company.