Who would I speak with at Eovia.... - Page 2 - Polyloop

shaunmckinnon · 20th April 2006, 05:34

That's ridiculous, and sounds like cause for a class action lawsuite. (about the Caligari thing)

3rdimension · 20th April 2006, 05:57

I'm just glad that I decided to go with my instinct on Carrara 3 when it first came out, and stuck with them and poser for starters. Yeah they have their own set of bugs to work out but they eventually fix em.

Naes3d · 20th April 2006, 06:51

Wow, Allan. In all the emails I got from Caligari (I haven't deleted an email since sometime last year), $399 only came with the pre-order back in January, and I am fairly certain that price was in response to the people who were shocked that they weren't going to include animation features. Unless they have cut me off in emails too (at both addresses) you must not have been checking your email lately. LOL

I was also a 5.2 user. It bugged me that despite the fact that Caligari kept the price of truespace 7 at the same price as 6.6 for new users, they really stuck it to those who would be upgrading. I mean really. $595 for new users and $499 for upgraders is atrocious as an upgrade price. Serious about getting new users, but not so serious about keeping existing ones, maybe? truespace 5 in 2001, 6 in 2002, 6.6 in 2003 and 7 in 2006. Why do the people who have already bought into the product get punished because the company found it difficult to develop what they admit was garbage code?

The fact that Caligari keeps sending gimmick promo after gimmick promo (14 emails since since they announced it would be released. Pretty aggressive considering the product hasn't changed 14 times since it's realease), kind of shows Caligari isn't used to satisfying people with it's pricing. And don't get me started about the unprofessionalism associated with Caligari representitives. A representative of Caligari actually actually posted in the official forums of the free availability of one of their products as an April Fools joke. The problem is that it was still March in the States.

No company official thought that it was innappropriate to use space they claim is supposed to be official business space for perfidious purposes. Not an example of a company that deserves your business.

When I moved to Carrara 3 I had a faster and more capable renderer than truespace 5.2 (and 6.6 judging by the demo). With all the applications you say you have, you don't really need another renderer. But if you are looking, I am actually considering adding EIAS to my toolkit.

Carrara is good though. Which version are you using?

3rdimension · 20th April 2006, 07:34

currently I'm using 5 pro if you were asking me. if not, then now you know. right now at the moment I'm morphing some facial expressions on my character. oh how fun. LOL!

Naes3d · 20th April 2006, 07:44

That's a good version 3rd, it's the one I use LOL

But I should have been more clear, I was referring to odeathoflife. Nothing in his post mentioned which Carrara version he used, so I was curious.

Happy modelling!

Naes3d · 20th April 2006, 08:29

Just noticed I got my 15th email regarding truespace 7. For 2 weeks I can save $70.

Woohoo.

Upgrade is still over 400 bucks...

odeathoflife · 20th April 2006, 08:35

I just had one when I got home from work LOL, 7.1 for $419

Naes3d · 20th April 2006, 08:55

Hexagon 1 (with free upgrade to Hex 2) and Carrara 5 = $349

Truespace 7 upgrade @ $419 = truelyOverpriced.

EDIT

And the $419 is a temporary discount?

Then consider the so called 7.5 animation tools will cost an extra $XXX.XX, the cost to upgrade from truespace 5 to 7.5 will be over $500.

MagicRubber · 22nd April 2006, 19:28

caligari?

Thats gamespace right?

Thats what I started 3d on 2 years ago.

Havent heard much about them in a long time...

3rdimension · 22nd April 2006, 19:45

instead of calling it truespace, maybe they should call it dishonestspace

Naes3d · 23rd April 2006, 00:35

Yeah, they should do something. I just read a post in their forums the other day where the owner of the company basically feels that those users who are experiencing problems with the software should feel ashamed for not being able to contribute in the way that those who were more successful with workarounds. Basically, if the user is unable to create a workaround for something the company wasn't able to implement satisfactorily, the user should shoulder that blame.

It's truly amazing how they even has a business. Roman (the CEO) thinks he has an actual community when he actually has developed a compound. If you don't refer to him as a 'visionary' he doesn't like you. If you saw the episode of the Twilight Zone entitled 'It's A Good Life' you understand how you must deal with Roman. Minus the reality warping powers.

Right now, Eovia is such a breath of fresh air...

odeathoflife · 23rd April 2006, 00:43

I like trueSpace no matter how my last post came across, and TS7 grew leaps and bounds, but I like HEX SoooOOOooo much more

Naes3d · 23rd April 2006, 01:21

If truespace works for you then you should like it. If truespace doesn't work for you, the company should not insinuate that it is somehow your fault.

Caligari knows that everything prior to truespace 7 was built around garbage code. It's the whole reason they had to rewrite. Truespace 7 is a leap abouve it's previous versions but it still falls behind everything else. By the time it's finished (which, despite what anybody tells you, it isn't) it will be further behind. Again. What will eventually kill Caligari is that it will continue to keep adding gimmicks instead of what people want when they want it.

A problem that, as of yet, I don't see Eovia having.

tyrell · 23rd April 2006, 10:18

Seems to me that the battle is not so much in the 3d packages but in the modeling arena. People these days crowd around Silo, Hexagon and Modo. Would it have made Caligari's position more attractive to newcomers had it taken the same route as Eovia such as coming up with a stand-alone modeler? Even if generations of Truespace 7 have reached the same level as highend ones, I don't think it will attract the same enthusiasm as the Carrara+Hexagon suite, or Modo 201 for that matter. TS7's learning curve has become even steeper than its predecessors, which is a big turn off for most newcomers. Early versions have, I think, 700+ icons on its interface. TS7 probably has more. Heck, who would spend time learning to recognize all those icons? The key these days is all about "streamlining", which is about getting rid of unnecessary options to come up with a straightforward workflow. For what else do those Silo users have in common: they are all after simple, unadulterated, straightforward workflow. Not eye candies and useless TS nurbs, adjustment rings...

20th April 2006, 05:34	#21 (permalink)
shaunmckinnon Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 187 Images: 1	That's ridiculous, and sounds like cause for a class action lawsuite. (about the Caligari thing) __________________ "I put a hexagon on you, cause you're mine. And I love the things that you do.." DELL DIMENSION 5150, P4 3.2GHZ HT, 3GB RAM, 256 ATI X600 (128 SHARED), DUAL 250GB SATA, XP PRO CARRARA 5 STANDARD, HEXAGON 2, DREAMWEAVER 2004MX,COREL SUITE 12, BRYCE 5.5, POSER 5

20th April 2006, 05:57	#22 (permalink)
3rdimension Vertex Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 22	I'm just glad that I decided to go with my instinct on Carrara 3 when it first came out, and stuck with them and poser for starters. Yeah they have their own set of bugs to work out but they eventually fix em. __________________ JOHN @ ARTISTIC TOUCH CUSTOM MURALS & GRAPHIC DESIGN.

20th April 2006, 07:34	#24 (permalink)
3rdimension Vertex Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 22	currently I'm using 5 pro if you were asking me. if not, then now you know. right now at the moment I'm morphing some facial expressions on my character. oh how fun. LOL! __________________ JOHN @ ARTISTIC TOUCH CUSTOM MURALS & GRAPHIC DESIGN.

20th April 2006, 08:35	#27 (permalink)
odeathoflife Vertex Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26	I just had one when I got home from work LOL, 7.1 for $419 __________________ Allan McCormick Burnt Toast Design Your Choice for 3D, Web and Print Development

22nd April 2006, 19:45	#30 (permalink)
3rdimension Vertex Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 22	instead of calling it truespace, maybe they should call it dishonestspace __________________ JOHN @ ARTISTIC TOUCH CUSTOM MURALS & GRAPHIC DESIGN.

20th April 2006, 06:51	#23 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Wow, Allan. In all the emails I got from Caligari (I haven't deleted an email since sometime last year), $399 only came with the pre-order back in January, and I am fairly certain that price was in response to the people who were shocked that they weren't going to include animation features. Unless they have cut me off in emails too (at both addresses) you must not have been checking your email lately. LOL I was also a 5.2 user. It bugged me that despite the fact that Caligari kept the price of truespace 7 at the same price as 6.6 for new users, they really stuck it to those who would be upgrading. I mean really. $595 for new users and $499 for upgraders is atrocious as an upgrade price. Serious about getting new users, but not so serious about keeping existing ones, maybe? truespace 5 in 2001, 6 in 2002, 6.6 in 2003 and 7 in 2006. Why do the people who have already bought into the product get punished because the company found it difficult to develop what they admit was garbage code? The fact that Caligari keeps sending gimmick promo after gimmick promo (14 emails since since they announced it would be released. Pretty aggressive considering the product hasn't changed 14 times since it's realease), kind of shows Caligari isn't used to satisfying people with it's pricing. And don't get me started about the unprofessionalism associated with Caligari representitives. A representative of Caligari actually actually posted in the official forums of the free availability of one of their products as an April Fools joke. The problem is that it was still March in the States. No company official thought that it was innappropriate to use space they claim is supposed to be official business space for perfidious purposes. Not an example of a company that deserves your business. When I moved to Carrara 3 I had a faster and more capable renderer than truespace 5.2 (and 6.6 judging by the demo). With all the applications you say you have, you don't really need another renderer. But if you are looking, I am actually considering adding EIAS to my toolkit. Carrara is good though. Which version are you using?

20th April 2006, 07:44	#25 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	That's a good version 3rd, it's the one I use LOL But I should have been more clear, I was referring to odeathoflife. Nothing in his post mentioned which Carrara version he used, so I was curious. Happy modelling!

20th April 2006, 08:29	#26 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Just noticed I got my 15th email regarding truespace 7. For 2 weeks I can save $70. Woohoo. Upgrade is still over 400 bucks...

20th April 2006, 08:55	#28 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Hexagon 1 (with free upgrade to Hex 2) and Carrara 5 = $349 Truespace 7 upgrade @ $419 = truelyOverpriced. EDIT And the $419 is a temporary discount? Then consider the so called 7.5 animation tools will cost an extra $XXX.XX, the cost to upgrade from truespace 5 to 7.5 will be over $500.

22nd April 2006, 19:28	#29 (permalink)
MagicRubber Spline Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 36	caligari? Thats gamespace right? Thats what I started 3d on 2 years ago. Havent heard much about them in a long time...

23rd April 2006, 00:35	#31 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Yeah, they should do something. I just read a post in their forums the other day where the owner of the company basically feels that those users who are experiencing problems with the software should feel ashamed for not being able to contribute in the way that those who were more successful with workarounds. Basically, if the user is unable to create a workaround for something the company wasn't able to implement satisfactorily, the user should shoulder that blame. It's truly amazing how they even has a business. Roman (the CEO) thinks he has an actual community when he actually has developed a compound. If you don't refer to him as a 'visionary' he doesn't like you. If you saw the episode of the Twilight Zone entitled 'It's A Good Life' you understand how you must deal with Roman. Minus the reality warping powers. Right now, Eovia is such a breath of fresh air...

23rd April 2006, 00:43	#32 (permalink)
odeathoflife Vertex Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 26	I like trueSpace no matter how my last post came across, and TS7 grew leaps and bounds, but I like HEX SoooOOOooo much more __________________ Allan McCormick Burnt Toast Design Your Choice for 3D, Web and Print Development

23rd April 2006, 01:21	#33 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	If truespace works for you then you should like it. If truespace doesn't work for you, the company should not insinuate that it is somehow your fault. Caligari knows that everything prior to truespace 7 was built around garbage code. It's the whole reason they had to rewrite. Truespace 7 is a leap abouve it's previous versions but it still falls behind everything else. By the time it's finished (which, despite what anybody tells you, it isn't) it will be further behind. Again. What will eventually kill Caligari is that it will continue to keep adding gimmicks instead of what people want when they want it. A problem that, as of yet, I don't see Eovia having.

23rd April 2006, 10:18	#34 (permalink)
tyrell Spline Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 52	Seems to me that the battle is not so much in the 3d packages but in the modeling arena. People these days crowd around Silo, Hexagon and Modo. Would it have made Caligari's position more attractive to newcomers had it taken the same route as Eovia such as coming up with a stand-alone modeler? Even if generations of Truespace 7 have reached the same level as highend ones, I don't think it will attract the same enthusiasm as the Carrara+Hexagon suite, or Modo 201 for that matter. TS7's learning curve has become even steeper than its predecessors, which is a big turn off for most newcomers. Early versions have, I think, 700+ icons on its interface. TS7 probably has more. Heck, who would spend time learning to recognize all those icons? The key these days is all about "streamlining", which is about getting rid of unnecessary options to come up with a straightforward workflow. For what else do those Silo users have in common: they are all after simple, unadulterated, straightforward workflow. Not eye candies and useless TS nurbs, adjustment rings...

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