Mudbox pricing - $299 US - Page 3 - Polyloop

jbshorty · 24th December 2006, 19:32

happy holidays to you too, zaxxon and everybody else. I wish the holiday spirit would have left a little bit of something lingering in my pocket

... I have no doubts about Mudbox's abilities. I'm a fan of traditional UI's so i think it would be really natural for me to grab it and go. But no app feels just right to everybody, so galleries alone are not enough reason to buy an app. Otherwise we'd all be using ZBrush and Blender...

sketchy, there are a few unique features of Mudbox (over ZBrush) that you may be overlooking:
**n-gon support (up to 16-sides allowed)
**true perspective camera
**true 3D environment (with real objects in 3D space)
**3D layers (unique until ZB2.5, if it's ever released)
**symmetrical sculpting across asymmetrical models
**traditionally designed UI

I am sure the unique feature list goes on far beyond this. But to me these represent the most important adantages, and they are the main reasons why i've demo'd ZBrush 4 times and still not purchased it. Of course, there are some major advantages of ZB over MB, especially when it comes to creating textures, alphas, and illustrations in general. But for sculpting, Mudbox was created for real 3D. ZBrush was not. And it's limitations are now becoming obvious.

Affuso · 11th January 2007, 00:32

Guys, write them for a demo..

they have a trial that is ready.

zaxxon · 11th January 2007, 04:44

Hey Affuso, that would be great news for lot's of folks who want to try before they buy. There seems to be no notice of such a demo in the main page or the private forums of Mudbox, so I'm guessing you have some inside scoop. The availabilty of a demo would be great, it would surely generate a lot of sales for Skymatter. This is one very cool application, well woth the $300USA.

bwtr · 11th January 2007, 09:20

I went to the Mudbox site and now have the demo etc. pretty straightforward and not a big file size.

You also get access to the forums--and that is a plus.

Nate Owens · 12th January 2007, 05:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

I went to the Mudbox site and now have the demo etc. pretty straightforward and not a big file size.

You also get access to the forums--and that is a plus.

I looked at every nook and cranny, then looked again...
I saw no mention of a demo at the Mudbox site.

Where did you see it?

thanks

are · 12th January 2007, 11:46

email support@skymatter.com - they will send a link to download 15 day trial and passwords to get at videos/etc.

Affuso · 12th January 2007, 16:40

Mudbox lacks of an important feature that Zbrush does have.
The zspheres; an ideal tool for a noob like me.

Nate Owens · 12th January 2007, 17:00

Thanks Are...

Affuso...
Mudbox isn't really best used as a modeler, more of a tool to refine and detail imported meshes - - that is my understanding.

zaxxon · 12th January 2007, 17:52

Thanks Are, I was having the same experience as Nate in finding the offer. Guess this demo is not for publication. Nate's correct, Mudbox is not intended as a primary modeling application, though you can create primitives and sculpt away, most people create anything from a rough base mesh to highly detailed meshes for sculpting and baking out displacement and normal maps. MB's ability to stamp and stencil alphas at high res is impressive. But once again, where MB shines is the straightforward 3D interface, and the smooth ease to scult detail on meshes with millions of polygons. While ZB has great UV/texture/paint tools, which are still in my toolset, the awkwardness of the interface and 2.0's 'projection' technology is dated at this point. Zspheres can produce truly fine base meshes, but for many modelers they cause major craziness (include me). 2.5 holds great promise, but is seriously overdue.

Affuso · 13th January 2007, 00:18

Yes , I tried the two demos. I do prefer the interface of mudbox , is more classic and normal that the one of Zbrush , a little psichedelich.

are · 13th January 2007, 10:42

I have downloaded the mudbox demo but have not installed it yet (been busy and want to use all the 15 days

).
As I already own zbrush I think I will wait and see what 2.5 brings, but the mudbox videos do look very good... now if only I had some skill

Affuso · 13th January 2007, 17:52

When , if you dedice to purchase it, you may sell your zbrush license to me..it is legal?

are · 13th January 2007, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Affuso

When , if you dedice to purchase it, you may sell your zbrush license to me..it is legal?

If that is to me then I am sorry but I don't think I will be getting rid of zbrush any time soon

zaxxon · 15th January 2007, 08:30

Mudbox is one of those very special art programs that are so natural feeling that it truly feels like a natural media. Here's tonights' mudbox doodle, and base mesh from Hex2. MB head has 1.8 million polys.

are · 15th January 2007, 11:16

1.8 mill ? can I ask what your system is and was it quick to respond to this kind of model.

Affuso · 15th January 2007, 19:36

After you are retouch the mesh, can you make something a normal map and use the models and the map , animated it in Carrara or other editors?

zaxxon · 15th January 2007, 20:08

Are, my system specs for the this piece was: AMD 3000/XP64/2gig/NV7600-256. The lower subD at
468k polys was where I mainly worked, that was as
smooth as warm butter, up to about 800-900k works
real well, over 1.2 mil the system bogs a little, not quite
real time but workable.

Affuso, It's going to Topogun first to create a better base mesh
with proper edgeflow,UV in Modo, then back to mudbox, bake
this detail level and complete the sculpt, then bake out displace-
ments for use in any 3D app that handles disp maps. Actually,
this mesh is just a doodle, but if it was going to be a 'project'
that's how it would go.

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24th December 2006, 19:32	#41 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,376	happy holidays to you too, zaxxon and everybody else. I wish the holiday spirit would have left a little bit of something lingering in my pocket ... I have no doubts about Mudbox's abilities. I'm a fan of traditional UI's so i think it would be really natural for me to grab it and go. But no app feels just right to everybody, so galleries alone are not enough reason to buy an app. Otherwise we'd all be using ZBrush and Blender... sketchy, there are a few unique features of Mudbox (over ZBrush) that you may be overlooking: n-gon support (up to 16-sides allowed) true perspective camera true 3D environment (with real objects in 3D space) 3D layers (unique until ZB2.5, if it's ever released) symmetrical sculpting across asymmetrical models traditionally designed UI I am sure the unique feature list goes on far beyond this. But to me these represent the most important adantages, and they are the main reasons why i've demo'd ZBrush 4 times and still not purchased it. Of course, there are some major advantages of ZB over MB, especially when it comes to creating textures, alphas, and illustrations in general. But for sculpting, Mudbox was created for real 3D. ZBrush was not. And it's limitations are now becoming obvious.

11th January 2007, 00:32	#42 (permalink)
Affuso Extrusion Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 172	Guys, write them for a demo.. they have a trial that is ready.

11th January 2007, 04:44	#43 (permalink)
zaxxon NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 117	Hey Affuso, that would be great news for lot's of folks who want to try before they buy. There seems to be no notice of such a demo in the main page or the private forums of Mudbox, so I'm guessing you have some inside scoop. The availabilty of a demo would be great, it would surely generate a lot of sales for Skymatter. This is one very cool application, well woth the $300USA.

11th January 2007, 09:20	#44 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	I went to the Mudbox site and now have the demo etc. pretty straightforward and not a big file size. You also get access to the forums--and that is a plus.

12th January 2007, 11:46	#46 (permalink)
are AKA RamPackWobble Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anglesey, North Wales, UK Posts: 216	email support@skymatter.com - they will send a link to download 15 day trial and passwords to get at videos/etc.

12th January 2007, 16:40	#47 (permalink)
Affuso Extrusion Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 172	Mudbox lacks of an important feature that Zbrush does have. The zspheres; an ideal tool for a noob like me.

12th January 2007, 17:52	#49 (permalink)
zaxxon NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 117	Thanks Are, I was having the same experience as Nate in finding the offer. Guess this demo is not for publication. Nate's correct, Mudbox is not intended as a primary modeling application, though you can create primitives and sculpt away, most people create anything from a rough base mesh to highly detailed meshes for sculpting and baking out displacement and normal maps. MB's ability to stamp and stencil alphas at high res is impressive. But once again, where MB shines is the straightforward 3D interface, and the smooth ease to scult detail on meshes with millions of polygons. While ZB has great UV/texture/paint tools, which are still in my toolset, the awkwardness of the interface and 2.0's 'projection' technology is dated at this point. Zspheres can produce truly fine base meshes, but for many modelers they cause major craziness (include me). 2.5 holds great promise, but is seriously overdue.

13th January 2007, 00:18	#50 (permalink)
Affuso Extrusion Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 172	Yes , I tried the two demos. I do prefer the interface of mudbox , is more classic and normal that the one of Zbrush , a little psichedelich.

13th January 2007, 10:42	#51 (permalink)
are AKA RamPackWobble Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anglesey, North Wales, UK Posts: 216	I have downloaded the mudbox demo but have not installed it yet (been busy and want to use all the 15 days ). As I already own zbrush I think I will wait and see what 2.5 brings, but the mudbox videos do look very good... now if only I had some skill

13th January 2007, 17:52	#52 (permalink)
Affuso Extrusion Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 172	When , if you dedice to purchase it, you may sell your zbrush license to me..it is legal?

15th January 2007, 11:16	#55 (permalink)
are AKA RamPackWobble Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anglesey, North Wales, UK Posts: 216	1.8 mill ? can I ask what your system is and was it quick to respond to this kind of model.

15th January 2007, 19:36	#56 (permalink)
Affuso Extrusion Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 172	After you are retouch the mesh, can you make something a normal map and use the models and the map , animated it in Carrara or other editors?

15th January 2007, 20:08	#57 (permalink)
zaxxon NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 117	Are, my system specs for the this piece was: AMD 3000/XP64/2gig/NV7600-256. The lower subD at 468k polys was where I mainly worked, that was as smooth as warm butter, up to about 800-900k works real well, over 1.2 mil the system bogs a little, not quite real time but workable. Affuso, It's going to Topogun first to create a better base mesh with proper edgeflow,UV in Modo, then back to mudbox, bake this detail level and complete the sculpt, then bake out displace- ments for use in any 3D app that handles disp maps. Actually, this mesh is just a doodle, but if it was going to be a 'project' that's how it would go.