Artzone announcement RE DAZ & Eovia - Polyloop

T-Rex · 25th April 2006, 04:22

Artzone site has announced the aquisition of Eovia by DAZ. Check it out.

arcady · 25th April 2006, 04:34

Ok to comment here? How could I possibly be first?

What I want to know is...

Will we all have to go Platinum Club memberships just to bend an ear now? Or will Eovia people still be around to hear us?

Given all the complaints I hear about Daz over the handling of Bryce... do I need to dust off my copy of Vue again?

T-Rex · 25th April 2006, 04:40

Announcement says that DAZ has retained all of the Eovia personell

AintNoSin · 25th April 2006, 04:47

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Originally Posted by T-Rex

Announcement says that DAZ has retained all of the Eovia personell

Exactly. The Chicken Littles would do well to keep their predictions of doom to themselves until we actually know something.

ronjurman · 25th April 2006, 04:51

Uggghhhh!!!!!

rj

KenSchae · 25th April 2006, 05:00

Does this mean it will take another year before Hexagon 2 is released?

AintNoSin · 25th April 2006, 05:03

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Originally Posted by KenSchae

Does this mean it will take another year before Hexagon 2 is released?

Why should it? The Eovia team had no know something was coming when they announced the Hex 2 release date.

T-Rex · 25th April 2006, 05:07

I don't see how it will affect the release of Hex 2 at all

ronjurman · 25th April 2006, 05:08

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Originally Posted by KenSchae

Does this mean it will take another year before Hexagon 2 is released?

No, It just means that it will be enhanced in the future through a slew of $12.95 add-ons

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rj

T-Rex · 25th April 2006, 05:21

If DAZ adopts the " if it aint broke, don't fix it " attitude I personally don't see a problem. Just have to wait and see as it sounds as if its a done deal.

toonman · 25th April 2006, 05:41

The PRO community is going to have big laughs with this one.
The respect that Carrara And Hexagon were finally getting, will be out the door. Very sad!

JakalDesign · 25th April 2006, 05:44

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Originally Posted by T-Rex

If DAZ adopts the " if it aint broke, don't fix it " attitude I personally don't see a problem. Just have to wait and see as it sounds as if its a done deal.

Thats one of the biggest problems with DAZ, they are not a forward thinking company. Look what they did with Bryce... made a plugin for it so you could use thier premade content then slap a .5 on the end of it. All I see is DAZ making it so it can export Bryce and Poser standard formats then sticking it up on the shelf to collect dust with Bryce. One person here said it best... Eovia finaly made it to a reputable pro status of 3D creation back down to a monkey content creation company.

DAZ Carrara and DAZ Hexagon... makes me want to cry.

KenSchae · 25th April 2006, 06:07

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Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Why should it? The Eovia team had no know something was coming when they announced the Hex 2 release date.

I was being sarcastic. I would hope that Hex2 is already too far in the pipeline - and given they are keeping the Eovia developers, there is no reason to believe otherwise. But given DAZ's history with other products, I wouldn't hold my breath for any future improvements; or anything innovative.

Corndog · 25th April 2006, 06:15

WOW and I opted for Car and Hex instead of cinema 4D because of price and a recent gain of respect and notice by the pros...
Regret.. I hope not

KenSchae · 25th April 2006, 06:19

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Originally Posted by Corndog

WOW and I opted for Car and Hex instead of cinema 4D because of price and a recent gain of respect and notice by the pros...
Regret.. I hope not

I know how you feel, I just bought the Hex1/2 upgrade deal instead of waiting for the new Silo to come out. I am hoping this will not turn out bad as well. Perhaps the influence of the Evoia team on DAZ may be a nudge in the right direction for them.

toonman · 25th April 2006, 06:58

I feel your pain!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenSchae

I was being sarcastic. I would hope that Hex2 is already too far in the pipeline - and given they are keeping the Eovia developers, there is no reason to believe otherwise. But given DAZ's history with other products, I wouldn't hold my breath for any future improvements; or anything innovative.

Pete Exxtreme · 25th April 2006, 07:04

Today is not a good day....

philebus · 25th April 2006, 09:02

Well, I'm not anti-DAZ but what's bad for competition tends to be bad for us. I personally like the Poser/Carrara combination and I guess that is (at least, in the long term) now threatened. Big questions are left for the future of Bryce also. We just have to see how much independence the Eovia team is given.

Paul Rego · 26th April 2006, 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonman

The PRO community is going to have big laughs with this one.
The respect that Carrara And Hexagon were finally getting, will be out the door. Very sad!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakalDesign

Thats one of the biggest problems with DAZ, they are not a forward thinking company. Look what they did with Bryce... made a plugin for it so you could use thier premade content then slap a .5 on the end of it. All I see is DAZ making it so it can export Bryce and Poser standard formats then sticking it up on the shelf to collect dust with Bryce. One person here said it best... Eovia finaly made it to a reputable pro status of 3D creation back down to a monkey content creation company.

DAZ Carrara and DAZ Hexagon... makes me want to cry.

Toonman and JakalDesign have summed this up pretty well. When I first saw this news today, I was in SHOCK! I guess there could be worst companies who could have aquired the US part of Eovia... but "DAZ"? To me, this is like the local "dollar" discount store buying JCPenney.

When DAZ bought Bryce, I was upset by what they did to it (or more accurately, what they didn't do FOR it). What a shame! Bryce was a very good program in its day and now it has fallen behind and has long started showing its age.

Based on the history of "DAZ Productions, Inc.", no matter how well Carrara and Hexagon evolove, if these programs are associated with too much of the "DAZ" image / reputation, it won't just be the "pro" users turning away from these great products -- they will be viewed as bargain basemenet "wannabees" (IMHO).

In my opinion, if DAZ were smart, they would allow the "Eovia" image / reputation to stand as it is and let the Carrara and Hexagon teams have a big say in the future of these programs -- feature set, upgrade schedule, marketing, pricing, etc.

I would think someone at Eovia knew about this before Carrara 5 was released. Last year, when I first read about ALL the NEW features of Carrara 5, I thought this was a very large number of new items to put into an upgrade -- even a whole-number (from "4" to "5") upgrade.

Another big facet to this announcement is... Why did Eovia sell-out? If both companies were privately held and it "looked" like Carrara and especially Hexagon were selling well, WHY did Eovia sell?

If they needed the money, why didn't they hold out for a more reputable company? or at least one which had the same business strategy and product nurturing as they have been showing over the last few years?

It looks like "only time will tell" but it will be very frustrating in the meantime.

mpilgrem · 26th April 2006, 03:16

"DAZ" is a well-known brand name in the UK ... for soap powder. Check out: http://www.dazwhite.co.uk/index.html to get a flavour of its 'brand values'. As the site says: "Daz has been delivering great family laundry results for over 50 years!"

25th April 2006, 04:22	#1 (permalink)
T-Rex Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	Artzone announcement RE DAZ & Eovia Artzone site has announced the aquisition of Eovia by DAZ. Check it out.

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arcady Cube Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Francisco native Posts: 74	Ok to comment here? How could I possibly be first? What I want to know is... Will we all have to go Platinum Club memberships just to bend an ear now? Or will Eovia people still be around to hear us? Given all the complaints I hear about Daz over the handling of Bryce... do I need to dust off my copy of Vue again? __________________ Legally Artistic Blog \| Art / Writing

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toonman NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 116	The PRO community is going to have big laughs with this one. The respect that Carrara And Hexagon were finally getting, will be out the door. Very sad! __________________ Mac G5 Dual - OSX

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Corndog Edge modeling Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 384	WOW and I opted for Car and Hex instead of cinema 4D because of price and a recent gain of respect and notice by the pros... Regret.. I hope not __________________ daz3d forums blow chunks

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Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,635	Today is not a good day.... __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

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T-Rex Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	Announcement says that DAZ has retained all of the Eovia personell

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ronjurman Box modeling Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 201	Uggghhhh!!!!! rj

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KenSchae Vertex Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 18	Does this mean it will take another year before Hexagon 2 is released?

25th April 2006, 05:07	#8 (permalink)
T-Rex Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	I don't see how it will affect the release of Hex 2 at all

25th April 2006, 05:21	#10 (permalink)
T-Rex Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	If DAZ adopts the " if it aint broke, don't fix it " attitude I personally don't see a problem. Just have to wait and see as it sounds as if its a done deal.

25th April 2006, 09:02	#18 (permalink)
philebus Spline Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 37	Well, I'm not anti-DAZ but what's bad for competition tends to be bad for us. I personally like the Poser/Carrara combination and I guess that is (at least, in the long term) now threatened. Big questions are left for the future of Bryce also. We just have to see how much independence the Eovia team is given.

26th April 2006, 03:16	#20 (permalink)
mpilgrem Vertex Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3	"DAZ" is a well-known brand name in the UK ... for soap powder. Check out: http://www.dazwhite.co.uk/index.html to get a flavour of its 'brand values'. As the site says: "Daz has been delivering great family laundry results for over 50 years!"

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