Eovia To Make Announcement On April 25 - Page 2 - Polyloop

WillBellJr · 24th April 2006, 03:33

Well frankly I just hope it's the release of Hex 2 - simple and apropos...

-Will

AlainK · 24th April 2006, 03:45

No doubt it's the release of Hex 2. April is almost over FCOL. Then this website overhaul, which is about time. I expect a more interesting, attractive visual design. Plus this "mystery" announcement no one knows what...

toonman · 24th April 2006, 20:11

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Originally Posted by -ash-

I have nothing against Macs but I have far too much invested in PC software to switch platforms. I really love Carrara and Hex and would hate to have to change to something else.

That wouldn't be a problem. New Macs can run Windows. Apple will support both.

-ash- · 24th April 2006, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonman

That wouldn't be a problem. New Macs can run Windows. Apple will support both.

I see where your coming from but I can't afford to change to a Mac either. I would rather stay with PC. There are a lot of people at my work who know about PCs but none for Macs. There is no Mac retailer where I live either but there are a number of PC providers.

To be honest, the way Apple just dumped all the Emagic PC users really put me off buying anything from them. They obviously had very little regard for their users, and once they had bought Emagic we were all Apple users. They just didn't want us. This really annoyed me (and many others).

I hope that the announcement is a strategic partnership. Mergers and buyouts usually end up with people losing their jobs and I would not like that to happen to anyone.

Patrick210 · 24th April 2006, 20:34

From what they've said at least half of Eovia's customers are on PC, if not more. They wouldn't drop PC for Mac only.

toonman · 24th April 2006, 20:55

I never suggested for you to buy a Mac. Only that Macs can run both - Windows and Mac OS. You can keep your PC. I don't see a problem with that. Both operating systems are supported. If you have a PC, use your PC. If you have a Mac that runs both, then use both systems or just one of them. It's that simple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ash-

I see where your coming from but I can't afford to change to a Mac either. I would rather stay with PC. There are a lot of people at my work who know about PCs but none for Macs. There is no Mac retailer where I live either but there are a number of PC providers.

To be honest, the way Apple just dumped all the Emagic PC users really put me off buying anything from them. They obviously had very little regard for their users, and once they had bought Emagic we were all Apple users. They just didn't want us. This really annoyed me (and many others).

I hope that the announcement is a strategic partnership. Mergers and buyouts usually end up with people losing their jobs and I would not like that to happen to anyone.

-ash- · 24th April 2006, 21:12

Patrick,
I hope you are right.

Toonman,
I understand what you are saying, but, if Apple bought Eovia and decided not to develop the PC versions anymore then, to continue to use and stay up to date with the software, you would need a Mac. This is what they did with Logic Audio. Since version 5 it has been Mac only. This is my worry for Carrara and Hex if there was an Apple buyout.

Anyway, this is probably a bit off topic and might not ever happen. So I think I'll shut up now

toonman · 24th April 2006, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ash-

Toonman,
I understand what you are saying, but, if Apple bought Eovia and decided not to develop the PC versions anymore then, to continue to use and stay up to date with the software, you would need a Mac.

If the Mac can run Windows and the MacOS, I don't see why Apple woudn't want to support the PC's. It is to Apple's benefit to support the Windows operating system. More users would buy a Mac to be able to use BOTH and the people that already use PC's will be able to continue using the softwares. I don't think Apple would discontinue supporting the Windows operating system.

toonman · 24th April 2006, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ash-

To be honest, the way Apple just dumped all the Emagic PC users really put me off buying anything from them. They obviously had very little regard for their users, and once they had bought Emagic we were all Apple users. They just didn't want us. This really annoyed me (and many others)

This sounds like when Microsoft recently decided to completely dump the development of Internet Explorer for the Mac. That also made a lot of people angry.

-ash- · 24th April 2006, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonman

If the Mac can run Windows and the MacOS, I don't see why Apple woudn't want to support the PC's. It is to Apple's benefit to support the Windows operating system. More users would buy a Mac to be able to use BOTH and the people that already use PC's will be able to continue using the softwares. I don't think Apple would discontinue supporting the Windows operating system.

Ha, your just trying to keep this conversation going. OK I'll bite

I couldn't see why they dumped Logic PC either. If they had continued to develop the PC version I'm sure many people would have migrated to Mac eventually.

The big deal with Logic was that it was completely cross platform. Save your file on the PC, take it to another studio that was Mac based, load up the file and away you go. Emagic worked really hard to get to that point and the pros loved it. And yet, Apple, immediately ceased development of the PC version and made many of the PC developers redundant.

This really did not make business sense to me. They just discarded a large portion of their user base. It was like Apple bought Emagic to get people to buy Macs. If they didn't then they weren't interested. It just didn't make sense to me.

-ash- · 24th April 2006, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonman

This sounds like when Microsoft recently decided to completely dump the development of Internet Explorer for the Mac. That also made a lot of people angry.

I agree, this sucks too. The trouble with this kind of thing is that us users are the ones who have to pay. Either by buying different software or changing platforms to run our chosen tools.

I don't like Microsoft much either. They pretty much have a monopoly on PC operating systems. Yet they treat their paying customers like criminals. We recently had a problem with my son's PC and had to re-install windows several times. Now the automated system won't authorize and we have to talk to someone to explain why we're re-installing.

I mean it's the same hardware for crying out loud! I could understand if it had been different hardware each time.

Now don't get me wrong. I really like computers. They enable us to do so much interesting stuff that would otherwise not be possible. Especially for the hobbyist. When I was younger I used to dream of having a studio like Jean Michelle Jarre or Mike Oldfield. Now I do but it is inside the computer. And guess what, Mike Oldfield has gone all software as well. He's using the same tools as I am (more or less

).

I think I'm starting to ramble now so back to the point. The best companies I've dealt with have all been smaller, like Eovia, Nevercentre, DCG, etc. They are closer to their customers and listen to what they are saying. Once they get bigger they seem to lose the ability to listen and to provide what their customers are looking for.

The Eovia community is very good, the combination of the users, the company and the plugin creators is something special in this world of computer giants like Microsoft. So I'm still hoping Eovia have not been bought by someone else. And if they have acquired or merged with another company then I hope they maintain the user focus that they currently have.

toonman · 25th April 2006, 00:32

Hi Tony,

By the way, I do understand your point of view and you do have a good reason to be disappointed.
I guess, that's just the way high tech companies operate. There are many other similar examples out there with many other companies. Not just apple and Microsoft.
But I do agree. ALL companies should be more loyal too all the users. Mac or PC.
After all, we are what keeps them going.

Cheers!

-ash- · 25th April 2006, 01:23

Yes, that's the way it should be. Anyway, that's me done for tonight. Tommorrow we'll find out what all the fuss was about

JakalDesign · 25th April 2006, 01:53

Well, the Eovia and Nevercenter sites are both down at the same time... maybe that mean something?..

AintNoSin · 25th April 2006, 02:49

The announcement is already up at DAZ's Art Zone.

JakalDesign · 25th April 2006, 02:56

That post doesnt help people that arnt members.

toonman · 25th April 2006, 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

The announcement is already up at DAZ's Art Zone.

In the Carrara forum it says: "Eovia acquired by DAZ". This is sad news. Just when the PRO community was taking Eovia products seriously with the advances of Carrara 5 Pro and Hexagon 2.
Now we are back to being seen as the mickey mouse of the softwares. With DAZ being all PRE-MADE stuff and everything looking alike, this is not good.

Just my two cents...

JakalDesign · 25th April 2006, 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonman

In the Carrara forum it says: "Eovia acquired by DAZ". This is sad news. Just when the PRO community was taking Eovia products seriously with the advances of Carrara 5 Pro and Hexagon 2.
Now we are back to being seen as the mickey mouse of the softwares. With DAZ being all PRE-MADE stuff and everything looking alike, this is not good.

Just my two cents...

Very well said... DAZ is not the type of company to take over Eovia. I am not a poser user, I do not buy premade content.. nor will I ever... I dont realy care if my software comes with a DAZ Studio plugin. Now Eovia gets to rub elbows with an extremely out of date and dead program (Bryce). WTF! I am accualy quite steamed at the moment.

WillBellJr · 25th April 2006, 05:47

Well, I'm not all that familiar with DAZ (yet) but I have to say - I'm STILL recovering from the malaise I experienced when Adobe took over Macromedia.

Now I just bought into Carrara and was starting to enjoy being part of the Eovia family and now monae has caused another software haus that I have financial and emotional (not to mention time) investments in to get swallowed up for reasons only known by the people with the bank books in their hand - sigh...

I see it's time for me to start keeping my wallet in my pocket for a while - lock down to my toolsets, grin and bear it...

-Will

PS - If this isn't true "heads will roll!...

PPS - If this is true "heads should roll!..."

Actually I guess by the merging of development teams, this could mean maximum interoperability with the differing apps, file formats etc., but I'm tired of all this shock & awe - a little normalcy wouldn't come amiss...

Naes3d · 25th April 2006, 06:46

Wow. I didn't know DAZ had assets like that. I figured Eovia would end up buying DAZ. So I guess the announcement is just meant to explain what direction Eovia products will take after the merger. Will Eovia still be the brand moniker or will it be DAZ.

Now that I hear about it, I'm not surprised. In fact, if the Powers That (Will) Be don't screw up, this could be a very exciting time for the future of Carrara.

The potential I see for Carrara 6 is that it may be the most complete 3D solution out of the box ever sold. With complete support for all of DAZ's products? Carrara is set to become the program that Bryce, Poser and Vue users have been asking for. Given the programs that DAZ is bringing to the table, I don't fear for the future development of Carrara or Hex. They won't lose the flagship status.

It's been said that Bryce is a money pit because it will take a total rewrite to get the program straight. I say cannabilize whatever is good in Bryce and give it to Carrara. Now that they are the same company, I say it's time for Bryce to fold. I really liked Bryce but Carrara shares enough synergy with the app that Bryce users should welcome the opportunity to switch.

I'm excited. But that doesn't mean I am not cautious. Cautiously optimistic I guess. I see this like the old Metacreations team is trying to get back together.

This could be great.

Could.

I hope.

EDIT

Just started imaging the DTE being ported over to Carrara....

Okay, maybe the cheers are premature...

24th April 2006, 03:33	#21 (permalink)
WillBellJr Box modeling Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 207	Well frankly I just hope it's the release of Hex 2 - simple and apropos... -Will __________________ "With THIS!, you could be like GOD!..." - Kozer, Blake's 7

24th April 2006, 21:12	#27 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 779	Patrick, I hope you are right. Toonman, I understand what you are saying, but, if Apple bought Eovia and decided not to develop the PC versions anymore then, to continue to use and stay up to date with the software, you would need a Mac. This is what they did with Logic Audio. Since version 5 it has been Mac only. This is my worry for Carrara and Hex if there was an Apple buyout. Anyway, this is probably a bit off topic and might not ever happen. So I think I'll shut up now __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

25th April 2006, 00:32	#32 (permalink)
toonman NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 116	Hi Tony, By the way, I do understand your point of view and you do have a good reason to be disappointed. I guess, that's just the way high tech companies operate. There are many other similar examples out there with many other companies. Not just apple and Microsoft. But I do agree. ALL companies should be more loyal too all the users. Mac or PC. After all, we are what keeps them going. Cheers! __________________ Mac G5 Dual - OSX

25th April 2006, 01:23	#33 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 779	Yes, that's the way it should be. Anyway, that's me done for tonight. Tommorrow we'll find out what all the fuss was about __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

25th April 2006, 05:47	#39 (permalink)
WillBellJr Box modeling Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 207	Well, I'm not all that familiar with DAZ (yet) but I have to say - I'm STILL recovering from the malaise I experienced when Adobe took over Macromedia. Now I just bought into Carrara and was starting to enjoy being part of the Eovia family and now monae has caused another software haus that I have financial and emotional (not to mention time) investments in to get swallowed up for reasons only known by the people with the bank books in their hand - sigh... I see it's time for me to start keeping my wallet in my pocket for a while - lock down to my toolsets, grin and bear it... -Will PS - If this isn't true "heads will roll!... PPS - If this is true "heads should roll!..." Actually I guess by the merging of development teams, this could mean maximum interoperability with the differing apps, file formats etc., but I'm tired of all this shock & awe - a little normalcy wouldn't come amiss... __________________ "With THIS!, you could be like GOD!..." - Kozer, Blake's 7

24th April 2006, 03:45	#22 (permalink)
AlainK Extrusion Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 178	No doubt it's the release of Hex 2. April is almost over FCOL. Then this website overhaul, which is about time. I expect a more interesting, attractive visual design. Plus this "mystery" announcement no one knows what...

24th April 2006, 20:34	#25 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	From what they've said at least half of Eovia's customers are on PC, if not more. They wouldn't drop PC for Mac only.

25th April 2006, 01:53	#34 (permalink)
JakalDesign Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 179	Well, the Eovia and Nevercenter sites are both down at the same time... maybe that mean something?..

25th April 2006, 02:49	#35 (permalink)
AintNoSin Cube Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lake Forest, CA Posts: 71	The announcement is already up at DAZ's Art Zone.

25th April 2006, 02:56	#36 (permalink)
JakalDesign Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 179	That post doesnt help people that arnt members.

25th April 2006, 06:46	#40 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Wow. I didn't know DAZ had assets like that. I figured Eovia would end up buying DAZ. So I guess the announcement is just meant to explain what direction Eovia products will take after the merger. Will Eovia still be the brand moniker or will it be DAZ. Now that I hear about it, I'm not surprised. In fact, if the Powers That (Will) Be don't screw up, this could be a very exciting time for the future of Carrara. The potential I see for Carrara 6 is that it may be the most complete 3D solution out of the box ever sold. With complete support for all of DAZ's products? Carrara is set to become the program that Bryce, Poser and Vue users have been asking for. Given the programs that DAZ is bringing to the table, I don't fear for the future development of Carrara or Hex. They won't lose the flagship status. It's been said that Bryce is a money pit because it will take a total rewrite to get the program straight. I say cannabilize whatever is good in Bryce and give it to Carrara. Now that they are the same company, I say it's time for Bryce to fold. I really liked Bryce but Carrara shares enough synergy with the app that Bryce users should welcome the opportunity to switch. I'm excited. But that doesn't mean I am not cautious. Cautiously optimistic I guess. I see this like the old Metacreations team is trying to get back together. This could be great. Could. I hope. EDIT Just started imaging the DTE being ported over to Carrara.... Okay, maybe the cheers are premature...

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