Apple present Boot Camp - Polyloop

psaldari · 5th April 2006, 20:54

Apple today present Boot Camp beta, an official way to install and boot windows on mac's Intel.
More infos here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

I don't know if it is a great or a terrible news

Paolo

tkane18 · 5th April 2006, 23:24

I always thought it was odd that Mac users would want to run / emulate Windows on a Mac machine. Why don't they just buy a PC? Anyone care to explain this? I'm just a curious PC user asking a curious question.

Joppe · 5th April 2006, 23:38

This is insane. They've become crazy at Apple.
I am a mac user and I have a Windows PC as an extra renderunit. That's the way to do it. In dutch we say: "Getverdemme". Don't "bleep" with my Mac.
Joppe

ewinemiller · 6th April 2006, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkane18

I always thought it was odd that Mac users would want to run / emulate Windows on a Mac machine. Why don't they just buy a PC? Anyone care to explain this? I'm just a curious PC user asking a curious question.

Some folks play and/or work in both worlds.

My customers run about 1/3 mac, 2/3 PC so I have to do both. Having a single machine that does both is cheaper than buying a second machine, takes up less space on the desk, and I can support both groups while on the road without lugging around two laptops. My development IDE of choice is Visual Studio .NET, but for documentation and packaging I've automated everything via shell scripting in OSX.

For fun, I use the iApps for doing the kid's videos, but like to play City of Heroes/Villians (only on a PC). Again, cheaper, more convenient to have a single machine that does both.

psaldari · 6th April 2006, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewinemiller

For fun, I use the iApps for doing the kid's videos, but like to play City of Heroes/Villians (only on a PC). Again, cheaper, more convenient to have a single machine that does both.

Yes, realy, but in some cases this thing is dangerous. For years the mac comunity have request the port of AUTOCAD software for mac, the port of the majors games, and so on... and now, wen we have a new great OS, the Apple present a way to install windows on mac... Now, this software house have a great excuse to say: you want ours software? OK, install windows!
I don't have purchase a Mac because it is "pretty", but because it is a great computer with a great OS...

Paolo

ewinemiller · 6th April 2006, 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by psaldari

Now, this software house have a great excuse to say: you want ours software? OK, install windows!

I don't think this is the big problem some folks fear it will be.

There are developers like the Autocad folks who historically aren't interested in the Mac at all. They will continue to be that way until Apple's market share changes significantly. For now they will probably suggest that for Apple users, but that is not any different than the "go buy a PC" they were suggesting earlier and it's a bit cheaper. If Apple's market share gets large enough for them to notice, then they will port to OSX if they really want to go for that market. Apple users in general are very particular, will want a native port, and most companies figure that out pretty quickly.

Keep in mind while my market is about 1/3rd Mac because of the creative professional group it caters to, I would bet that the % of potential Autocad users who are Mac is way smaller.

For other developers, especially smaller ones, Apple has just lowered the cost of entering the Mac market by about 50%. Like it or not, Windows (or Linux in in the OSS world) is really considered the default, but now I can get a machine that runs OSX too and I only have to buy an OEM copy of Windows to take advantage of it. What a bargain.

Regards,

tonytrout · 6th April 2006, 15:22

What is this thing about Macs that engenders such loyalty. If it wasn't such a sensitive topic for the many Mac users I would say "Welcome to the Dark Side"

Joppe · 6th April 2006, 15:44

Hi Tonytrout,
Well, for me it is the stability of the system, the beauty of the machines (I am a designer), most software I use was written for the Mac first. Such as the Adobe programs. I loved Infini-D at first sight. Then it is no question for me to change. The machines were allways more expensive then PC's but I allmost never had operating problems. As I hear my friends working on PC's what trouble the have to keep the sytem stable, then I stay loyal to my Mac. And the most beautifull thing on Mac sytems always was the finder. You can copy a program to whatever directory you want and they keep on working. Try that on Windows. I did that once before I knew you can't. Big trouble. :-)
But I am user of both systems, that is, my wintel machine is only for rendering, allthough my mac is faster. (My iMac G5 is allmost as fast as a dual AMD 3000)
But then it is nice they are cheap. But all the designing I do on my Mac.
GreetZ: Joppe

tonytrout · 6th April 2006, 15:55

I believe you dont have trouble with viruses also is that correct. My son has Macs (he rebel

) and I agree they are very beautiful, but I do not have any problems with the Windows OS. I stick with PC and we agree to both be happy , no?

Joppe · 6th April 2006, 16:04

Of course we both be happy. And I consider to buy an even faster PC for rendering.
But I have grown up with Macs, I can imagine that when I started with the PC I should have stayed with windows.
But I am very happy that Eovia sticks to Macs too. :-) Very very happy!!!

tonytrout · 6th April 2006, 16:13

Will you be able to render C5 on a mixed network platform now with macintel/PC?

Naes3d · 6th April 2006, 17:09

It was pointed out to me and I think I should share, Apple is primarily a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company. Apple stands to make money regardless of what OS is running, so this can help Apple break thru that 3-5% plateau they've been hovering at since forever.

So cheer up Mac lovers! As long the hardware being sold is Apples, the company will remain prosperous. It's funny because Windows might help increase Mac sales. Ironic, no?

Joppe · 6th April 2006, 21:28

I hope you're right Naes3d because I've seen MacOSX running on a PC. And the cheapest solution most times wins. Then it's bye bye with those beautifull looking machines.
But I love the operating system and not especially the hardware, so it doesn't matter anyway. But when I start up Carrara I don't see no difference anymore. :-)

Tonytrout, I never tried. When I'am rendering something big then I bring the files to the PC with my USB stick and tell the it to render some frames and the Mac some other frames. Glue them together with Premiere. Works fine for me.

Naes3d · 7th April 2006, 00:24

I wouldn't say it's bye bye to the beautiful machines. If OS X replaces XP on PC's, then it's bye bye Microsoft. Then Apple machines will become more kin to Boxx or Alienware. Well maybe. I'm speculating. Either scenario, Apple ends up winning.

ewinemiller · 7th April 2006, 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonytrout

Will you be able to render C5 on a mixed network platform now with macintel/PC?

You can do that now.

tonytrout · 7th April 2006, 05:32

You mean I can add my sons G5 to my pc network? I am astonished ... I did not know you could do that! Do I put on Mac rendernode and does my C5 pro licence cover that?

You might draw me over to the forces of truth and light

but I will try and resist somehow.

ewinemiller · 7th April 2006, 12:58

I think the default settings is all it needs to get an IP address. Install the Render Node and all the plug-ins to the Mac's render node. Open the ports in the firewall, and make sure the ports match what you are using on the PC side. I think Carrara's license support 5 render nodes (or more if you buy Grid).

My local render nodes include 2 PCs, a PC laptop, a PowerMac, and an iBook. They work fine together.

tonytrout · 7th April 2006, 14:29

Thanks Eric, the more machines the merrier

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5th April 2006, 23:24	#2 (permalink)
tkane18 Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 29	I always thought it was odd that Mac users would want to run / emulate Windows on a Mac machine. Why don't they just buy a PC? Anyone care to explain this? I'm just a curious PC user asking a curious question.

5th April 2006, 23:38	#3 (permalink)
Joppe Say nothing Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 110	This is insane. They've become crazy at Apple. I am a mac user and I have a Windows PC as an extra renderunit. That's the way to do it. In dutch we say: "Getverdemme". Don't "bleep" with my Mac. Joppe

6th April 2006, 15:22	#7 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	What is this thing about Macs that engenders such loyalty. If it wasn't such a sensitive topic for the many Mac users I would say "Welcome to the Dark Side"

6th April 2006, 15:44	#8 (permalink)
Joppe Say nothing Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 110	Hi Tonytrout, Well, for me it is the stability of the system, the beauty of the machines (I am a designer), most software I use was written for the Mac first. Such as the Adobe programs. I loved Infini-D at first sight. Then it is no question for me to change. The machines were allways more expensive then PC's but I allmost never had operating problems. As I hear my friends working on PC's what trouble the have to keep the sytem stable, then I stay loyal to my Mac. And the most beautifull thing on Mac sytems always was the finder. You can copy a program to whatever directory you want and they keep on working. Try that on Windows. I did that once before I knew you can't. Big trouble. :-) But I am user of both systems, that is, my wintel machine is only for rendering, allthough my mac is faster. (My iMac G5 is allmost as fast as a dual AMD 3000) But then it is nice they are cheap. But all the designing I do on my Mac. GreetZ: Joppe

6th April 2006, 15:55	#9 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	I believe you dont have trouble with viruses also is that correct. My son has Macs (he rebel ) and I agree they are very beautiful, but I do not have any problems with the Windows OS. I stick with PC and we agree to both be happy , no?

6th April 2006, 16:04	#10 (permalink)
Joppe Say nothing Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 110	Of course we both be happy. And I consider to buy an even faster PC for rendering. But I have grown up with Macs, I can imagine that when I started with the PC I should have stayed with windows. But I am very happy that Eovia sticks to Macs too. :-) Very very happy!!!

6th April 2006, 16:13	#11 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	Will you be able to render C5 on a mixed network platform now with macintel/PC?

6th April 2006, 17:09	#12 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	It was pointed out to me and I think I should share, Apple is primarily a hardware company and Microsoft is a software company. Apple stands to make money regardless of what OS is running, so this can help Apple break thru that 3-5% plateau they've been hovering at since forever. So cheer up Mac lovers! As long the hardware being sold is Apples, the company will remain prosperous. It's funny because Windows might help increase Mac sales. Ironic, no?

6th April 2006, 21:28	#13 (permalink)
Joppe Say nothing Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 110	I hope you're right Naes3d because I've seen MacOSX running on a PC. And the cheapest solution most times wins. Then it's bye bye with those beautifull looking machines. But I love the operating system and not especially the hardware, so it doesn't matter anyway. But when I start up Carrara I don't see no difference anymore. :-) Tonytrout, I never tried. When I'am rendering something big then I bring the files to the PC with my USB stick and tell the it to render some frames and the Mac some other frames. Glue them together with Premiere. Works fine for me.

7th April 2006, 00:24	#14 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	I wouldn't say it's bye bye to the beautiful machines. If OS X replaces XP on PC's, then it's bye bye Microsoft. Then Apple machines will become more kin to Boxx or Alienware. Well maybe. I'm speculating. Either scenario, Apple ends up winning.

7th April 2006, 05:32	#16 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	You mean I can add my sons G5 to my pc network? I am astonished ... I did not know you could do that! Do I put on Mac rendernode and does my C5 pro licence cover that? You might draw me over to the forces of truth and light but I will try and resist somehow.

7th April 2006, 14:29	#18 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	Thanks Eric, the more machines the merrier