Modo 302 preview - Polyloop

tonytrout · 15th February 2008, 09:30

Some videos of upcoming modo 302 update. I was interested to see they have fixed up the edge extrude so that all the transform handles work, this is cool for people who prefer to edge model. I will take another look at their software when the update is out because of this

http://www.luxology.com/training/video.aspx?id=182

shoeach · 15th February 2008, 10:24

If my memory is correct, Thomas had discussed Edge modeling manipulation tool of modo with modo developers last year.
I assume this feature is result of their discussions.

Syuichi

Thomas · 15th February 2008, 11:26

I spent some time with one of them about that, yes.. but it's still not as productive as Hexagon for Edgemodeling for what I see here...

HeavyHanded · 15th February 2008, 14:44

So what is your tool of choice for modeling these days Thomas?

jbshorty · 16th February 2008, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

I spent some time with one of them about that, yes.. but it's still not as productive as Hexagon for Edgemodeling for what I see here...

I agree. I'm not sure why Modo doesn't just build a universal manipulator, and have it available for the edge Extend command. The preview of 302 is a good improvement though. I suppose we can assign planar scaling handles with rotation handles, and not have to flip back and forth constantly. I am looking forward to 302, as mostly i prefer to edge model and this has always been a shortcoming of modo. and Hexagon is unreliable on my system. Now, if only they would make a target welding tool...

jonah

Wася · 19th February 2008, 06:00

I hope they will implement easy snapping at least in v. 306

jbshorty · 19th February 2008, 06:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wася

I hope they will implement easy snapping at least in v. 306

me too. modo's snapping is OK for occasional use. But it's very slow compared to typical CAD methods... 306? No version of Modo has gone past -03 yet.

The quick development cycle is a blessing and a curse. I'd like some time to master a program before i have to upgrade again...

jonah

Aunty Betty · 29th February 2008, 01:51

I hope they will implement a realistic price.

Wася · 2nd March 2008, 10:11

Taking into account the lack of many features - it's price is supposed to be more close to ZBrush et al.
Anyway, I'd never pay the full price - I got 103 at DAZ sale and later upgraded it to 301.

Wася · 12th March 2008, 06:53

Wow. They made Houdini Batch

.
I mean headless mode, of course.

shokan · 19th March 2008, 20:49

About Zbrush and Modo:
I have limited funds and I have to decide between Modo and ZBrush. I know..."apples and oranges", "try the demos", "to each his/her own". But, in your opinion, given that I want enjoy cutting-edge sculpting ability but also do not want to be shuttling between programs, which is the better choice?

jbshorty · 19th March 2008, 21:31

What's missing from your current tools? If you just need sculpting/painting then ZB is the reigning champion. Or do you need a more complete modeling / texturing / rendering package? Then Modo or C4D/BodyPaint might be a better choice... the other factor might be which platform you use. As I've heard ZB3 still has not released a Mac version, and it's due about 2 years ago

I don't like using ZB. Modo was more natural for me. But "to each his own". This is where i advise you to "try the demos"...

jonah

Wася · 20th March 2008, 06:52

shokan, it depends.
ZBrush alone could be used only by 2D artists, but modo has too many gaps in it's modeling features, so in it's current state it can not be the one and only tool for 3D artist also. The other problem is the price - at $900 you can have one modo, or ZBrush+Hexagon+MoI. If you can add another $200, you can have even XSI Foundation+ZBrush.
So it's not an easy question.

-ash- · 20th March 2008, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by shokan

About Zbrush and Modo:
I have limited funds and I have to decide between Modo and ZBrush. I know..."apples and oranges", "try the demos", "to each his/her own". But, in your opinion, given that I want enjoy cutting-edge sculpting ability but also do not want to be shuttling between programs, which is the better choice?

I have ZBrush and I'm currently working with the trial of modo 301. Can't say anything about Mudbox as I've never used it.

IMHO, if you want cutting-edge sculpting you need ZBrush. During my first tests with modo yesterday the sculpting in modo is slower that ZBrush on my PC (Core 2 Duo E6600, 2Gig RAM., Nvidia 7900GS). ZBrush 3.1 is really smooth and easy. On the other hand modo has a more traditional set of tools and what looks to be a great renderer. modo can't handle as many polygons as ZBrush but can produce some good work with the right PC. My 7900GS may be letting me down a bit here (ZB doesn't use the card at all).

But, I've come to the conclusion that you can't have all the options without swapping from one application to another. The secret is to get apps that will all work together without a lot of hassle.

So, if you want to have all the options in one package, including sculpting then modo is probably the way to go. Get the demo and make sure it does what you want.

If your primary goal is sculpting then get ZBrush. It can model, texture and render as well as sculpt. Learning the tool will keep you occupied for ages while you save up for a more all round app to complement it.

I should mention that this is my hobby, I don't use these tools in a professional environment. So this is just my opinion and your mileage may vary

Me, I want them all! Hope this helps.

jbshorty · 20th March 2008, 12:09

There can be many benefits to having a good set of modeling and UV tools within your render engine. Seperating your modeler, UV mapper, and render engine means that any changes to the model might require a new import, UV remapping, and retexturing. But in the case of sculpting and texturing, you only need to update a texture image. So i don't think you are losing much productivity by having an external sculptor/texturer such as ZB...

jonah

Wася · 3rd April 2008, 22:22

Modo 302 program files are 700MB for both PC and Mac, SDK is 16MB, the additional content and tutorial files are the same as in 301, and need not to be downloaded by modo 301 users.
Downloads are not faster than 20KB/s, but torrents are much faster (upload+download use all my 400KB/s bandwidth).

jbshorty · 3rd April 2008, 22:42

SWEET!!! Delivered one day earlier than 7 days late

. Thanks for posting. Downloading via torrent now...

jonah

Wesgraphics · 4th April 2008, 03:56

I was trying to get the tryout version, but when I get directed to the downloads after paying the $25 dollars U.S., I get ported to the world's slowest download.

I thought it might be my connection which is 12mbit, but then I read an article that mentioned the same thing, 20Kb/second.

That is freaking ridiculous and haven't seen a download that slow since the 1980s.

Guess I just wasted 25 bucks and Modo just turned me off if that's the way they treat prospective customers.

Thanks, but no thanks - what a fraudulent scam.

jbshorty · 4th April 2008, 06:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesgraphics

I was trying to get the tryout version, but when I get directed to the downloads after paying the $25 dollars U.S., I get ported to the world's slowest download.

I thought it might be my connection which is 12mbit, but then I read an article that mentioned the same thing, 20Kb/second.

That is freaking ridiculous and haven't seen a download that slow since the 1980s.

Guess I just wasted 25 bucks and Modo just turned me off if that's the way they treat prospective customers.

Thanks, but no thanks - what a fraudulent scam.

Scam? I don't think so. You are trying to download the demo on the same day of 302's release. There must be 10,000 people downloading it right now. It's no surprise that your bit rate is slow. I downloaded 302 tonight via bittorrent. 700mb in less than 12 minutes!

How is this a scam? Just wait a few days until things calm down. Anyway, your demo period starts from the day you first start running Modo. Not from when you download it...

jonah

bwtr · 4th April 2008, 07:18

I have just been reading the huge review of 301 by our Carrara Video Tute Guru, Mark Bremmer!

I really should have opted for Modo I am thinking as I wait for the C6 Vertex room to work again.

ps. I downloaded 450MB in 53 seconds the other day! Have NO idea why it was not hours longer than that as normal!

15th February 2008, 09:30	#1 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 576 My Photos: (3)	Modo 302 preview Some videos of upcoming modo 302 update. I was interested to see they have fixed up the edge extrude so that all the transform handles work, this is cool for people who prefer to edge model. I will take another look at their software when the update is out because of this http://www.luxology.com/training/video.aspx?id=182 Last edited by tonytrout : 15th February 2008 at 09:42.

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Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 310 My Photos: (3)	I hope they will implement easy snapping at least in v. 306 __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel E6700, 2GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

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Aunty Betty In the blooming heather Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Little Happening Posts: 558 My Photos: (0) Images: 7	I hope they will implement a realistic price. __________________ aka Boozy Floozie

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HeavyHanded Cube Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 83 My Photos: (0)	So what is your tool of choice for modeling these days Thomas?

2nd March 2008, 10:11	#9 (permalink)
Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 310 My Photos: (3)	Taking into account the lack of many features - it's price is supposed to be more close to ZBrush et al. Anyway, I'd never pay the full price - I got 103 at DAZ sale and later upgraded it to 301. __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel E6700, 2GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

12th March 2008, 06:53	#10 (permalink)
Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 310 My Photos: (3)	Wow. They made Houdini Batch. I mean headless mode, of course. __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel E6700, 2GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

19th March 2008, 20:49	#11 (permalink)
shokan Vertex Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8 My Photos: (0)	About Zbrush and Modo: I have limited funds and I have to decide between Modo and ZBrush. I know..."apples and oranges", "try the demos", "to each his/her own". But, in your opinion, given that I want enjoy cutting-edge sculpting ability but also do not want to be shuttling between programs, which is the better choice?

19th March 2008, 21:31	#12 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,259 My Photos: (0) Images: 1	What's missing from your current tools? If you just need sculpting/painting then ZB is the reigning champion. Or do you need a more complete modeling / texturing / rendering package? Then Modo or C4D/BodyPaint might be a better choice... the other factor might be which platform you use. As I've heard ZB3 still has not released a Mac version, and it's due about 2 years ago I don't like using ZB. Modo was more natural for me. But "to each his own". This is where i advise you to "try the demos"... jonah

20th March 2008, 06:52	#13 (permalink)
Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 310 My Photos: (3)	shokan, it depends. ZBrush alone could be used only by 2D artists, but modo has too many gaps in it's modeling features, so in it's current state it can not be the one and only tool for 3D artist also. The other problem is the price - at $900 you can have one modo, or ZBrush+Hexagon+MoI. If you can add another $200, you can have even XSI Foundation+ZBrush. So it's not an easy question. __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel E6700, 2GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

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jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,259 My Photos: (0) Images: 1	There can be many benefits to having a good set of modeling and UV tools within your render engine. Seperating your modeler, UV mapper, and render engine means that any changes to the model might require a new import, UV remapping, and retexturing. But in the case of sculpting and texturing, you only need to update a texture image. So i don't think you are losing much productivity by having an external sculptor/texturer such as ZB... jonah

3rd April 2008, 22:22	#16 (permalink)
Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 310 My Photos: (3)	302 is available! Modo 302 program files are 700MB for both PC and Mac, SDK is 16MB, the additional content and tutorial files are the same as in 301, and need not to be downloaded by modo 301 users. Downloads are not faster than 20KB/s, but torrents are much faster (upload+download use all my 400KB/s bandwidth). __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel E6700, 2GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

3rd April 2008, 22:42	#17 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,259 My Photos: (0) Images: 1	SWEET!!! Delivered one day earlier than 7 days late . Thanks for posting. Downloading via torrent now... jonah

4th April 2008, 03:56	#18 (permalink)
Wesgraphics Cube Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 71 My Photos: (0)	I was trying to get the tryout version, but when I get directed to the downloads after paying the $25 dollars U.S., I get ported to the world's slowest download. I thought it might be my connection which is 12mbit, but then I read an article that mentioned the same thing, 20Kb/second. That is freaking ridiculous and haven't seen a download that slow since the 1980s. Guess I just wasted 25 bucks and Modo just turned me off if that's the way they treat prospective customers. Thanks, but no thanks - what a fraudulent scam.

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4th April 2008, 07:18	#20 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,041 My Photos: (6) Images: 49	I have just been reading the huge review of 301 by our Carrara Video Tute Guru, Mark Bremmer! I really should have opted for Modo I am thinking as I wait for the C6 Vertex room to work again. ps. I downloaded 450MB in 53 seconds the other day! Have NO idea why it was not hours longer than that as normal!