Polystream: Zbrush live presentation, thursday 25th - 12:00 pm (lunch-noon) PST time - Page 2 - Polyloop

are · 25th October 2007, 22:59

Thanks Thomas, it was very good. Hope you can do more soon ? Maybe we could have a list of questions/subjects you could cover ?

Thomas · 25th October 2007, 23:07

Yes, it's a good idea. But I would like to have comments about my english. it was understandable, give a number, 1 to 10, 1 worst, 10 good

mykyl1966 · 25th October 2007, 23:33

Hi Thomas,

Truthful answer regarding your accent was in the main it was perfectly good. At times you did seem to talk a bit too fast but that can be dealt with by having a more structured presentation. Not a problem today as you said it was mostly a test.

Some words or expressions I had to smile at. The alt key in particular.

I thought at first you were saying the L key. Nothing major at all really.

I learned a couple of things that I was only half aware of before, so it was a positive experience for me.

Cheers

Mike R

tonytrout · 26th October 2007, 00:23

Thomas, really appreciated the effort. No problems with your accent at all. I could hear alt all right

. You sound pretty fluent in english which means your presentation didnt suffer from not being able to express yourself, even the few words and expressions that didnt come easily to hand, didnt really impact on it. So my advice is to not worry about how you sound, it sounds quite clear and fluent to me. I think good enough for sale of DVD or instructional stream, after all usually I have to put up with ameriacn or english accent and yours is much more melodious to the ear.

(I hope I not offend anyone, after all the Kiwi or australian accent is unique too) Some areas you could improve. It did seem that you became a bit more tired towards the end from concentrating, and I wondered if the event was a bit too long and you were trying to cover too much at once, and might be better broken into a couple of parts. I did learn some stuff so it was a good experience for me like Mykl. The worst aspect was you have a technical glitch at the end with the extra background mesh when trying to explain the geometry HD and this distracted you from then on. I think cntl-N might have cleared the background mesh for you but I my old internet computer not up to being logged into chat at the same time. You were concerned also if the sculpting was visible sometimes with no feedback, well it was, if it could be seen on my old monitor with its dying green screen then it could be seen on anything, so whatever compression you had worked fine, even the finest stuff you did was perfectly visible, you could even reduce some of the intensity of your brushes. The resolution was a little larger than my massive 15" screen but hey what did I expect, it didnt matter I could scroll around when required. I think to be a truely professional level it would be better to have separate preprepared models easily at hand to demonstrate each feature, I know this was a test broadcast but I think that would improve the structure and time usage of the demo. I hope my comments help, anthing you want to ask let me know.

I think overall it was great and look forward to other polystreams, with some practice makes perfect, and really appreciate what you put into it. I feel quite inspired. I hope you are able to make some business of it. Thomas salut.

achrystie · 26th October 2007, 01:42

Your accent was not an obstacle at all. I actually found it easier to follow you than some of the "british" accents I've heard on videos and DVD's to be really honest. :D
The only recommendations I'd make would be to plan out a little bit more ahead of time and make sure you've got the "keywords" written down so you don't have to pause as often. Also, as Tony said, maybe think about doing a bit shorter presentation, say an hour, instead of an hour and forty five minutes, as you did seem to get tired towards the end.

I agree on the DVD as well, considering you can plan a DVD ahead and edit the video/audio a bit, you "definitely" speak English well enough to do an English DVD.

Thanks for doing it. I definitely picked up a few things watching you go through the program and the tip on getting the materials onto the UV maps from Ryan in the end was very cool, and something I've been trying to figure out for a while now.

What software do you use for the capture and streaming? I'm considering doing some stuff for my students next year, as I teach one Physics course online currently, and will probably look to do some more online stuff next year. So any tips you can give on software and/or setting up the server would be greatly appreciated.

ABC

Nate Owens · 26th October 2007, 02:33

Is this presentation posted or zipped somewhere for downloading?
My hours are so weird I would never be able to log on at any particular time, but I am hoping there is a way to see this.

Couerl · 26th October 2007, 04:56

Well damn, I knew I was supposed to do something today. :\

tonytrout · 26th October 2007, 06:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

Well damn, I knew I was supposed to do something today. :\

Its the quick and the dead Courl

PS I think Thomas will do another

Wася · 26th October 2007, 07:13

Thomas, if you want to play James Bond in the next movie, your English pronunciation is not too good. But in terms of clearness your English is 10. I got every single word and every phrase.
So please, stop worry about it. I'm waiting for your next presentation in English.

Couerl · 26th October 2007, 07:45

Ya, I need one of those email reminder things to warn me its about to start in 1/2 a hour or something... I really want to watch some work in modo, I'm starting to know just enough to get frustrated and that's always a bad sign.

are · 26th October 2007, 08:29

No problem with your English (except I also thought you said "L" rather than "ALT") and would give you an 8/10 . Not as good as the girl in the hexagon documentation - but then I could listen to her all day ....

A slightly shorter (1 hour ?) with one or two subjects only would be better - and maybe slightly earlier ?

I also agree about a reminder being sent out.

Thanks again.

Thomas · 26th October 2007, 08:37

Well.. too much information kill the information

I agree with you all that my presentation was too long. It was shorter in the french presentation of Zbrush.
Tony, you are right, at the end, I had some trouble to focus on what I did. Speaking in english from one side, focusing on what you are saying, doing the presentation at the same time is very hard as you can imagine. In fact, I think I enter too much in some details and not just spend few minutes on the feature. After all, it was a software -presentation-... But as you can imagine, when you are passionate, you can forgot to take a look at your watch...
FYI, I had a small papers with the point to do ;) Thank you very much for your feedback.

Thank you too for the feedback on my english. Anyway, I need to improve it and correct my grammar and try to find a way about how pronouncing this damn "ALT" key

Thomas · 26th October 2007, 08:39

achrystie : I'm running Camtasia in Live presentation mode, then grab what the software is capturing with a flash application which is send to my server (the polyloop one). On this one, I installed Red5, a Flash Streaming server (open source). Then, the client Flash application is just connected to this server.
only Camtasia is a commercial software.

tonytrout · 26th October 2007, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

....and try to find a way about how pronouncing this damn "ALT" key

You must say it with a german accent ....

Markku · 26th October 2007, 10:58

If someone is willing to put that much time and effort to helping out others, then there really is no reason to complain. And regardless of that, in every aspect of the presentation it was very good all the way. Language was good, technicalities (Live stream + chat) were planned and excecuted extremely well. Topics were good. You had even managed to get a co-star along with you. What more could we ask?

And if you find satisfaction in doing this stuff, then there is no need to worry, but to go ahead and make more events like this.

More ZBrush and Modo, why not Carrara as well, because they are all pretty complex apps which you can best learn by seeing somone do it and being able to ask questions.

Well done Thomas and thank you!

Ps. Only improvement area I can think of is that it was not recorded to be watched and learned afterwards. You put so much effort into this and now it is all gone. A huge waste of fantastic material.
Just as an example, Alan Musselman from Adobe holds Fireworks Jam Session where he demonstrates FW and all sessions can be viewed afterwards.

achrystie · 26th October 2007, 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

achrystie : I'm running Camtasia in Live presentation mode, then grab what the software is capturing with a flash application which is send to my server (the polyloop one). On this one, I installed Red5, a Flash Streaming server (open source). Then, the client Flash application is just connected to this server.
only Camtasia is a commercial software.

Thank you for the information. I had not heard of Red5 before, I'll have to check that out.

ABC

Thomas · 26th October 2007, 12:33

Markku: I decided not to record that one because it was th first in english for me. Also, I may start a business of training DVD about several software. Then these kind of recorded session can become a competitor of my own business

Markku · 26th October 2007, 13:34

Well that fact makes it a complitely different scenario. You may then only afford to publish previews of your training material without spoiling your business. Non-recorded live sessions would then act as a lure to keep customers coming to your site and then buy your DVDs.

Wim Scheenen · 26th October 2007, 13:57

Well, I can only agree with the others, it was very well done and for me perfectly understandable English. No problems with the "Alt" pronunciation here. Personally, I liked the fact that Thomas touched on so many topics, because I don't own the app yet, and this way of demonstrating really gives me a feel of what can be done or not. Indeed it was a bit too long, causing Thomas to loose his concentration a bit, but nothing too seriuos. But considering the time at which it was done, 21:00 French time (isn't that about dinner time around Bordeaux?), I think Thomas did a really great job. I am looking forward to more of these, and if you publish DVD tutes in the future of software of my interest, I think you have a buyer here

.

Wim

Wася · 26th October 2007, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markku

If someone is willing to put that much time and effort to helping out others, then there really is no reason to complain.

I second it. Furthermore, different people had different skills and interested in different aspects of ZBR, so it's ok.
Thomas, do you plan to translate you DVDs to Russian? Need help?..

Just kidding.

25th October 2007, 23:07	#22 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,102 Images: 93	Yes, it's a good idea. But I would like to have comments about my english. it was understandable, give a number, 1 to 10, 1 worst, 10 good __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

25th October 2007, 23:33	#23 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	Hi Thomas, Truthful answer regarding your accent was in the main it was perfectly good. At times you did seem to talk a bit too fast but that can be dealt with by having a more structured presentation. Not a problem today as you said it was mostly a test. Some words or expressions I had to smile at. The alt key in particular. I thought at first you were saying the L key. Nothing major at all really. I learned a couple of things that I was only half aware of before, so it was a positive experience for me. Cheers Mike R __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

26th October 2007, 00:23	#24 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	Thomas, really appreciated the effort. No problems with your accent at all. I could hear alt all right. You sound pretty fluent in english which means your presentation didnt suffer from not being able to express yourself, even the few words and expressions that didnt come easily to hand, didnt really impact on it. So my advice is to not worry about how you sound, it sounds quite clear and fluent to me. I think good enough for sale of DVD or instructional stream, after all usually I have to put up with ameriacn or english accent and yours is much more melodious to the ear. (I hope I not offend anyone, after all the Kiwi or australian accent is unique too) Some areas you could improve. It did seem that you became a bit more tired towards the end from concentrating, and I wondered if the event was a bit too long and you were trying to cover too much at once, and might be better broken into a couple of parts. I did learn some stuff so it was a good experience for me like Mykl. The worst aspect was you have a technical glitch at the end with the extra background mesh when trying to explain the geometry HD and this distracted you from then on. I think cntl-N might have cleared the background mesh for you but I my old internet computer not up to being logged into chat at the same time. You were concerned also if the sculpting was visible sometimes with no feedback, well it was, if it could be seen on my old monitor with its dying green screen then it could be seen on anything, so whatever compression you had worked fine, even the finest stuff you did was perfectly visible, you could even reduce some of the intensity of your brushes. The resolution was a little larger than my massive 15" screen but hey what did I expect, it didnt matter I could scroll around when required. I think to be a truely professional level it would be better to have separate preprepared models easily at hand to demonstrate each feature, I know this was a test broadcast but I think that would improve the structure and time usage of the demo. I hope my comments help, anthing you want to ask let me know. I think overall it was great and look forward to other polystreams, with some practice makes perfect, and really appreciate what you put into it. I feel quite inspired. I hope you are able to make some business of it. Thomas salut. Last edited by tonytrout; 26th October 2007 at 01:25.

26th October 2007, 01:42	#25 (permalink)
achrystie Spline Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 55	I thought you did really well. Your accent was not an obstacle at all. I actually found it easier to follow you than some of the "british" accents I've heard on videos and DVD's to be really honest. :D The only recommendations I'd make would be to plan out a little bit more ahead of time and make sure you've got the "keywords" written down so you don't have to pause as often. Also, as Tony said, maybe think about doing a bit shorter presentation, say an hour, instead of an hour and forty five minutes, as you did seem to get tired towards the end. I agree on the DVD as well, considering you can plan a DVD ahead and edit the video/audio a bit, you "definitely" speak English well enough to do an English DVD. Thanks for doing it. I definitely picked up a few things watching you go through the program and the tip on getting the materials onto the UV maps from Ryan in the end was very cool, and something I've been trying to figure out for a while now. What software do you use for the capture and streaming? I'm considering doing some stuff for my students next year, as I teach one Physics course online currently, and will probably look to do some more online stuff next year. So any tips you can give on software and/or setting up the server would be greatly appreciated. ABC

26th October 2007, 02:33	#26 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 983 Images: 11	Is this presentation posted or zipped somewhere for downloading? My hours are so weird I would never be able to log on at any particular time, but I am hoping there is a way to see this. __________________ Portfolio / Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos

25th October 2007, 22:59	#21 (permalink)
are AKA RamPackWobble Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anglesey, North Wales, UK Posts: 216 Images: 2	Thanks Thomas, it was very good. Hope you can do more soon ? Maybe we could have a list of questions/subjects you could cover ?

26th October 2007, 04:56	#27 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,292 Images: 6	Well damn, I knew I was supposed to do something today. :\

26th October 2007, 07:13	#29 (permalink)
Wася Misinterpreted signal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 354	Thomas, if you want to play James Bond in the next movie, your English pronunciation is not too good. But in terms of clearness your English is 10. I got every single word and every phrase. So please, stop worry about it. I'm waiting for your next presentation in English. __________________ (Vista 64-bit, Intel Q6700, 8GB, GeForce 8800GTS)

26th October 2007, 07:45	#30 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,292 Images: 6	Ya, I need one of those email reminder things to warn me its about to start in 1/2 a hour or something... I really want to watch some work in modo, I'm starting to know just enough to get frustrated and that's always a bad sign.

26th October 2007, 08:29	#31 (permalink)
are AKA RamPackWobble Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anglesey, North Wales, UK Posts: 216 Images: 2	No problem with your English (except I also thought you said "L" rather than "ALT") and would give you an 8/10 . Not as good as the girl in the hexagon documentation - but then I could listen to her all day .... A slightly shorter (1 hour ?) with one or two subjects only would be better - and maybe slightly earlier ? I also agree about a reminder being sent out. Thanks again.

26th October 2007, 08:37	#32 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,102 Images: 93	Well.. too much information kill the information I agree with you all that my presentation was too long. It was shorter in the french presentation of Zbrush. Tony, you are right, at the end, I had some trouble to focus on what I did. Speaking in english from one side, focusing on what you are saying, doing the presentation at the same time is very hard as you can imagine. In fact, I think I enter too much in some details and not just spend few minutes on the feature. After all, it was a software -presentation-... But as you can imagine, when you are passionate, you can forgot to take a look at your watch... FYI, I had a small papers with the point to do ;) Thank you very much for your feedback. Thank you too for the feedback on my english. Anyway, I need to improve it and correct my grammar and try to find a way about how pronouncing this damn "ALT" key __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

26th October 2007, 08:39	#33 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,102 Images: 93	achrystie : I'm running Camtasia in Live presentation mode, then grab what the software is capturing with a flash application which is send to my server (the polyloop one). On this one, I installed Red5, a Flash Streaming server (open source). Then, the client Flash application is just connected to this server. only Camtasia is a commercial software. __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

26th October 2007, 10:58	#35 (permalink)
Markku Studying 3D at nights Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 83	If someone is willing to put that much time and effort to helping out others, then there really is no reason to complain. And regardless of that, in every aspect of the presentation it was very good all the way. Language was good, technicalities (Live stream + chat) were planned and excecuted extremely well. Topics were good. You had even managed to get a co-star along with you. What more could we ask? And if you find satisfaction in doing this stuff, then there is no need to worry, but to go ahead and make more events like this. More ZBrush and Modo, why not Carrara as well, because they are all pretty complex apps which you can best learn by seeing somone do it and being able to ask questions. Well done Thomas and thank you! Ps. Only improvement area I can think of is that it was not recorded to be watched and learned afterwards. You put so much effort into this and now it is all gone. A huge waste of fantastic material. Just as an example, Alan Musselman from Adobe holds Fireworks Jam Session where he demonstrates FW and all sessions can be viewed afterwards. Last edited by Markku; 26th October 2007 at 12:11.

26th October 2007, 12:33	#37 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,102 Images: 93	Markku: I decided not to record that one because it was th first in english for me. Also, I may start a business of training DVD about several software. Then these kind of recorded session can become a competitor of my own business __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

26th October 2007, 13:34	#38 (permalink)
Markku Studying 3D at nights Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 83	Well that fact makes it a complitely different scenario. You may then only afford to publish previews of your training material without spoiling your business. Non-recorded live sessions would then act as a lure to keep customers coming to your site and then buy your DVDs.

26th October 2007, 13:57	#39 (permalink)
Wim Scheenen Cube Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands Posts: 80 Images: 1	Well, I can only agree with the others, it was very well done and for me perfectly understandable English. No problems with the "Alt" pronunciation here. Personally, I liked the fact that Thomas touched on so many topics, because I don't own the app yet, and this way of demonstrating really gives me a feel of what can be done or not. Indeed it was a bit too long, causing Thomas to loose his concentration a bit, but nothing too seriuos. But considering the time at which it was done, 21:00 French time (isn't that about dinner time around Bordeaux?), I think Thomas did a really great job. I am looking forward to more of these, and if you publish DVD tutes in the future of software of my interest, I think you have a buyer here . Wim