trueSpace7 Demo download

[crazy wabbit]

Okay, it is finally here the demo of 7.5
Try it and come back here and talk about its features.

I am mostly interested to know how it compares to Carrara?


So come back soon.


http://www.caligari.com/store/special/vr15post01.html

[Snake 972]

Hello,

Thank for this link.

It's the first time I hear the soft true space.
What's the function of this soft?

[crazy wabbit]

Originally Posted by Snake 972

What's the function of this soft?

Its been around, I used to use the older version. They rewrote the whole thing with new interface. Never hurts to experiment with new software.

[crazy wabbit]

Well, I played with the Demo, the interface turned me off right away so after 10 min I hit uninstall. Hope you will have a better experience.

[Snake 972]

I dont played it for the moment.
I think someone don't give this link of this trial in the French section. I put it.

If you have most information to give us

[Snake 972]

Are we can have the alternative of the language to put it in French?

[Plum]

Hiya.

Here's my observations:

1: Does not play well with 64-bit systems
2: Seems to be about 100 times better than the 'older' versions...seems...
3: Doesn't like graphics tablets
4: Loves to have you constantly selecting the 'icons' to carry out instructions.
5: Still suffers from Romans (the CEO of Caligari) inability to grasp the simple idea that "innovation" should only be done with GOOD ideas...and not done simply for innovation's sake.
6: No way in all of freakin' HELL is it worth the price they want for tS + VRay. At absolute most...I'd plop down $400.

So, bottom line, if you are a trueSpace user and you like it, you should definitly upgrade; all the minor quibbles of mine won't bug you. If you are used to more "normal" software...I suggest passing on it.

[transient]

Vray alone is worth $800 as a plug-in for other applications (i.e rhino). I bought both TS7.5 and Vray as an upgrade for $500. I can imagine only someone who had no idea what Vray was could possibly say Caligari have overpriced their products.

Apart from a few bugs (at least some of which will be fixed in the patch next week) it's excellent.

Unfortunately I don't think there's a french version.

@Plum - What annoys me is that after answering your questions about TS on another forum (as others have kindly done as well), it's blindingly obvious you don't even know the basics of TS7.5, let alone enough to call it abnormal or to rubbish Roman that way.

Like the flame about the icons - you can change the icons to text in TS7.5 with one mouse click. I learned this in the first ten minutes.

If anyone wants to know more about TS, maybe going to the Caligari forums would be a better idea. And definitely spend more than ten minutes looking at it before dismissing it.

It's not beyond criticism (show me a 3d app that is) but at this stage it's more advanced than Carrara in many key areas. Maybe Carrara 6 will be a different story, time will tell.

[crazy wabbit]

What is good, is that we can speak our mind about any given product, so really everyone is free to express their ideas on anything.

[Plum]

Hiya.

@transient

Well, transient, I'd have to say I kinda know the "basics" of tS7.5 (I've used tS from versions 2 through 4.3)...so I at least have an idea on how it "thinks". I would *love* to be able to dive into 7.5 and start playing around as soon as I have some more time. I should be able to do this on Sunday. I'll have a good sit down at the computer, crack open the PDF manual and have at er!

...oh. Wait. There is no manual for anyone who wants to evaluate tS7.5 as a potential purchase.

It's this last part that's rather frusterating. I know enough about 3d to know what I want to do...but if there is no manual to give me something to go on to find what I need then it becomes a 3d game of "hide and seek". Roman outright told me, and I quote:

Originally Posted by Roman of Caligari

As manual I am not sure we can do it. You guys have great images, you have testimonies of TS7.5 owners, you have Guided Tour animations, Captain's Blog, you have Trial version, you have a community, why not just order TS7.5 and if you still do not like it we give you refund for 30 days.

We are working on the manual BTW intensely for paying customers, next week we should have a better version, including those promised videos.

But then you already saw that on the caligari forums. The emphasis there is mine. Caligari wants me for fork over roughly $1057.00 of my hard earned cash just so I can "try it out". I don't *have* an extra grand laying around just so I can demo a 3d package with actual documentation.

I don't want to get into a heated discussion about all this. Really, I don't. I guess I'm a bit more hot under the collar simply because I've been waiting for some serious improvements to tS for...when was tS 4 released? Well, since then or earlier. I see and read about all the really nice advancements they have made on it. I can see that caligari entusiasm all over the folks who own tS 7.0 (the Caligari users are one of the best groups of folks I know of with regards to 3d users; very friendly and it's obvious they love tS...dispite all the nay-sayers). Truespace was the first 3d program I ever owned. It still holds a soft spot for me. I just *hate* to see tS's potential get squandered simply because there isn't a manual for it. Can you imagine trying to get a grip with, say, Blender if there was no manual and the only company-made tutorials for it you had to pay for? (and those were sometimes, uh, 'oddly priced'; c'mon, $60 for a tutorial on how to use the manipulation widgets? ).

I need a manual. A full one. With everything in it in writing. I need to be able to say "Hmmm...how do I restrict movement of a bone in only the X and Y axis, relative to the bone's origin", or "Hmmm...how do I create a reverse foot-roll control rig, then duplicate it to the other side of the skeleton". That kind of thing. At least a manual where I can look stuff up and see that it can't be done, or has to be done some other way rather than me banging my head against the wall for an hour or asking a question on a forum and having to wait for an indeterminant amount of time...for an answer that might not even be right.

Caligari NEEDS to release a PDF manual for the tS demo or 90% of their potential customers are going to install it, confusedly click pretty icons for all of 5 to 10 minutes, think to themselves "What the hell am I doing?"...and uninstall it without giving it a fair shake.

[crazy wabbit]

I could not agree more, i worked with ts up to version 6.5 and it was okay. Many features including the (undo redo) button that all other programs have was missing, at least a working one. My turn off was the new interface and waiting and waiting for improvements, kinda what is happening with carrara and Hex now. Soon I will loose my patience with these programs too and look for others that keep their customers INFORMED AND HAPPY. Well enough of me crazy wabbit bitching.

[mykyl1966]

I hope this does not read as stamping on Romans fingers but I agree it seems a little strange to not supply the manual. However if you don't have $1000 then it doesn't matter whether it comes with a manual or not in reality. The 30 day offer is there and I have in the past needed to cash in to get my money back so I know they are good and prompt in doing that from experience.

I own Carrara 5 as well as now Truespace 7.5 with Vray 1.5. One thing that stands out to me is the render speed. The vray render engine is very fast and Carrara at a similar quality is ... well slow... very slow. I prefer Carrara for the interface by a mile but I prefer the new rigging tools in TS and the hair is a step in the right direction as well as the animation possibilites.

Do not expect to be able to just jump in and start creating with the same ease as Carrara. It just wont happen like that but I believe you could go much deeper into TS than Carrara as Carrara currently stands.

The issues I have had with TS were answered very quickly so far and although its still no where near perfect I believe it holds out more promise for me so far than Carrara.

I will continue to use Carrara for some things and I still look forward to seeing what C6 holds out for the future as I am a firm believer that no software does everything you need it to do.

Cheers

Mike R

[transient]

Vray 1.5 apparently is only going half as fast as version 1.0 did, which is something hopefully they will fix in the next patch.

Like you I thought it was pretty quick anyway, but apparently it's capable of going even faster.

[Naes3d]

Personally, I think that this release is a huge step up from the last release (7.11). Overall, the program still lacks polish. I will be watching trueSpace closely to see if it continues to add the feature I would like to see implemented.

Your best bet if you are evaluating trueSpace is to get help on a forum with people who can at least answer some of your basic questions and then experiment from there. Basically, just let your mouse hover over the workSpace (or Model) icons and read their descriptions. The icons with the little red triangle have flyouts. There are trueSpace users who are here who would probably answer questions.