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Jolran · 25th April 2006, 15:35

I think we all should ease on Thomas a little. Hes not responsible for anything going on att the moment(I presume) As he is trying to say he cannot speak freely about the subject, due to restrictions in contracts he has made with Evoia and so.

All corporate takeovers are about "hush hush dont say anything yet". The news is not
even out on The Evoia site is it?

Best thing Daz and staff could do is come out with a clear statement of what the future plans for the software are and as soon as possible.
Cause if the do plan to take Carrara 6 to a new level, people would like to know before
they switch software.

In my case if the direction is compability with Poser - Daz stuff(good pobability here) than Im outha here! No need to repeat it but Carrara need to improve in other abilities than poser support. Like lets say animation :-)

Jolran · 25th April 2006, 15:36

Gooes fast here 5 min and my reply was to late. Grendel told all about it.
Quick quick press send!!!

BluesDragon · 25th April 2006, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by andywright

Still no change in the Eovia website (10.15 GMT), no obvious news on the Daz website (though some similar discussion in the forum), and I am not a member of Artzone so can't get in.

Exactly when will we 'normal' customers have an official announcement on exactly what is happening ? In particular, I don't like the sound of some of the quotes that Daz's staff are suggesting its not a good idea to pre-order Hexagon 2 (which I did as soon as it was announced)

Dan Farr at DAZ has said there will be a "public announcement" with many more details at 10 AM US-Mountain Daylight Time at DAZ's website.

Thomas · 25th April 2006, 15:43

Thanks guys

The only "bad" news is that Eovia Europe paid for the hosting and forum itself (VB is a paid forum). The good news is that if my Hexagon/Carrara DVDs sells are ok, the forum will continue... But even if It doesn't sell a lot, I'll try to do my best to keep it as long as possible. As you see, I have post more than 6000 messages here, and spend a lot of my free time for this community. I don't want it to disapear!

andywright · 25th April 2006, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

Thanks guys

The only "bad" news is that Eovia Europe paid for the hosting and forum itself (VB is a paid forum). The good news is that if my Hexagon/Carrara DVDs sells are ok, the forum will continue... But even if It doesn't sell a lot, I'll try to do my best to keep it as long as possible. As you see, I have post more than 6000 messages here, and spend a lot of my free time for this community. I don't want it to disapear!

I am sure we all appreciate the effort that you put into this and understand you are probably frustrated by what is happening now and the limited information you can share.

I for one can say that it was this forum that helped to decide for me to purchase Carrara and hexagon, as this is such a useful source of material and support.

Without this, the software is not nearly so appealing, and other forums I am a member of for 3D software are not nearly as useful. I hope this site can continue, even if it has to be subscription based.

AlainK · 25th April 2006, 16:10

I'm not going to blame anybody here for the negative comments about the deal. I will even commend them all because it simply meant: "THEY CARE". I'm sure those comments will lead DAZ to go in the right direction. I agree to the suggestion that DAZ should take a hands off approach when it comes to the development of these two great programs (Hex and Car), particularly Carrara. To me that is the right path. I'm certain that that will not only give them the good rep they badly needed, but it will even make their company financially sound.

So let's just hope for the best and look for any positive sign about this deal. Carrara+Hexagon are still excellent programs even in their current versions.

jtbullet · 25th April 2006, 16:20

Complainers, we have been looking for true freedom from Poser for years. I love Poser, but I can't use it in my professional work. Let's all step back and give the boys a shot. Kai's vision of a unfied Bryce/Poser/Raydream has never been more achieveable. It'll be awhile before we know how it all plays out, but until then, we'll have hex 2 and v4 to play with. Not a bad deal eh? If Carrara 6 shows up with daz studio features built in, e-frontier will have to really raise the bar for Poser 7.

DanRoberts · 25th April 2006, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

I am really sorry to not have been able to answer earlier. As an Eovia Europe employee, I am not able to answer to all questions, nor to comment the DAZ acquisition news. As it has been said by Dan on DAZ forum, the Hexagon 2.0 release will not be delayed, and will be followed soon by a 2.1 release. Regarding the future, strategy, future roadmaps of Hexagon and Carrara, the best is to communicate with Bob Stockwell, from Eovia Corp, bob.stocwkell@eovia.com.

I also have to remember you that it is my -personnal- forum, not an Eovia official forum. And I'm not so rich...

Just hearing ur voice here is encouraging

.

Andreseloy · 25th April 2006, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

Andresely:
I think you missundertand a lot of thing. Please, don't speculate or imagine things that doesn't be. (Correct my grammar as needed ;))

If I don't reply or explain, it's because I can't and not because I don't want (and you can't imagine how I want to answer...). I hope you can understand that...

Sure Thomas I will not speculate or imagine anything: All is very clear now for the user forum.
Yes, I understand you right now.Im 56 years old.

But you have to admitt(if you want) that speculations were originated by the silent time of Eovia and yours.
If at the right moment you give a clear explanation to the user all have returned to the normally!!!! and please to some of the last reply dont make Thomas a victim!!! is incredible.

I apologize if you feel ofended not was my intention (i review my post and i think it not contain offenses to you).

I was thinking that the users have merits to be informed in the right way and in the right moment. Obviously i was wrong in that to!
From me is my last reply to this ......
Andreseloy

marcovth · 25th April 2006, 16:36

Don't get angry at Thomas. He provided very good services to us in the past !

[edited wrong "interpretation"]

Thomas · 25th April 2006, 17:00

Eovia.com is now up to date.
You can also check the press release and FAQ.

BluesDragon · 25th April 2006, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

Eovia.com is now up to date.
You can also check the press release and FAQ.

Thank you Thomas.

WillBellJr · 25th April 2006, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakalDesign

thanks for some clarification Thomas... but it must be alittle hard to take this news right before the start of your buisness to sell training DVDs for Hexagon?

True considering all the potential customers for buying Hex (and Carrara) are now turning around, putting their wallets back into their pockets and walking out the announcement theater...

If I had known this ahead of time, I wouldn't have preordered either...

-Will

DanRoberts · 25th April 2006, 17:45

Bob has started an official thread to help with the transition and questions ...

http://www.eovia3d.net/showthread.ph...ed=1#post80885

EoviaBob · 25th April 2006, 18:48

Please join the discussion under the "Eovia & Eovia3D.net" forum.

WillBellJr · 25th April 2006, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

Thanks guys

The only "bad" news is that Eovia Europe paid for the hosting and forum itself (VB is a paid forum). The good news is that if my Hexagon/Carrara DVDs sells are ok, the forum will continue... But even if It doesn't sell a lot, I'll try to do my best to keep it as long as possible. As you see, I have post more than 6000 messages here, and spend a lot of my free time for this community. I don't want it to disapear!

I've been using http://www.globat.com for my site hostings and they've been very good IMO and their prices is hella good for the packages you get.

As far as the msgboard software, there's always PHPBB

-Will

hexabon · 28th April 2006, 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanRoberts

They make u promise "site unseen" ... the frigging software is not free ... its free marketing for Daz, Its cheap, its annoying and its just plain GREEDY.

The page on DAZ's website, linked from 'DAZ Studio' on the homepage, where you read about and download DAZ Studio explains that it's tellware:

http://www.daz3d.com/program/studio/1_0index.php

DanRoberts · 28th April 2006, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexabon

The page on DAZ's website, linked from 'DAZ Studio' on the homepage, where you read about and download DAZ Studio explains that it's tellware:

http://www.daz3d.com/program/studio/1_0index.php

Ok u found a place where it says it is b4 u install it ... good .... but ur missing the point.

EDIT: Well actually u didnt ... there is no place i can see at least as readily as FREE DAZ STUDIO were it says that in order to use the (infact even install it) you have to "give ur word" that u will tell two other people about DAZ. In fact that paragraph on that page says NOTHING about not even being able to install the software unless u agree/promise.

So even more so ... ur missing the point.

No instead of it saying something like FREE DAZ STUDIO. its said some thing like DAZ STUDIO IS FREE TO YOU THROUGH OUR TELL-WARE PROGRAM click "here" or something to see if u want to participate b4 u download.

Id have no problem with it.

hexabon · 28th April 2006, 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanRoberts

Ok u found a place where it says it is b4 u install it ... good .... but ur missing the point.

I thought your point, or one of them, was that you were annoyed about downloading software and only finding out afterwards that it was tellware.

I don't remember any DAZ customers complaining about this in the forums when DAZ Studio first came out. Maybe it only annoys people who are predisposed to be annoyed about DAZ, I don't know.

the_peculier · 28th April 2006, 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexabon

I thought your point, or one of them, was that you were annoyed about downloading software and only finding out afterwards that it was tellware.

I don't remember any DAZ customers complaining about this in the forums when DAZ Studio first came out. Maybe it only annoys people who are predisposed to be annoyed about DAZ, I don't know.

Leave it, Dan is one of those who wants to hate Daz and there is nothing you can say or do to stop him.

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25th April 2006, 15:35	#41 (permalink)
Jolran NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 123	I think we all should ease on Thomas a little. Hes not responsible for anything going on att the moment(I presume) As he is trying to say he cannot speak freely about the subject, due to restrictions in contracts he has made with Evoia and so. All corporate takeovers are about "hush hush dont say anything yet". The news is not even out on The Evoia site is it? Best thing Daz and staff could do is come out with a clear statement of what the future plans for the software are and as soon as possible. Cause if the do plan to take Carrara 6 to a new level, people would like to know before they switch software. In my case if the direction is compability with Poser - Daz stuff(good pobability here) than Im outha here! No need to repeat it but Carrara need to improve in other abilities than poser support. Like lets say animation :-)

25th April 2006, 15:36	#42 (permalink)
Jolran NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 123	Gooes fast here 5 min and my reply was to late. Grendel told all about it. Quick quick press send!!!

25th April 2006, 16:10	#46 (permalink)
AlainK Extrusion Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 178	I'm not going to blame anybody here for the negative comments about the deal. I will even commend them all because it simply meant: "THEY CARE". I'm sure those comments will lead DAZ to go in the right direction. I agree to the suggestion that DAZ should take a hands off approach when it comes to the development of these two great programs (Hex and Car), particularly Carrara. To me that is the right path. I'm certain that that will not only give them the good rep they badly needed, but it will even make their company financially sound. So let's just hope for the best and look for any positive sign about this deal. Carrara+Hexagon are still excellent programs even in their current versions.

25th April 2006, 16:20	#47 (permalink)
jtbullet Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 237	Complainers, we have been looking for true freedom from Poser for years. I love Poser, but I can't use it in my professional work. Let's all step back and give the boys a shot. Kai's vision of a unfied Bryce/Poser/Raydream has never been more achieveable. It'll be awhile before we know how it all plays out, but until then, we'll have hex 2 and v4 to play with. Not a bad deal eh? If Carrara 6 shows up with daz studio features built in, e-frontier will have to really raise the bar for Poser 7.

25th April 2006, 16:36	#50 (permalink)
marcovth NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 139	Don't get angry at Thomas. He provided very good services to us in the past ! [edited wrong "interpretation"]

25th April 2006, 17:45	#54 (permalink)
DanRoberts Nogylop Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 100	Bob has started an official thread to help with the transition and questions ... http://www.eovia3d.net/showthread.ph...ed=1#post80885

25th April 2006, 18:48	#55 (permalink)
EoviaBob Cube Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 64	Please join the discussion under the "Eovia & Eovia3D.net" forum.