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ScottC · 25th April 2006, 10:36

This is terrible news. Changing development teams on a software package that was just starting to look really promising, right after the 2.0 release is the kiss of death.

I never thought Id own a piece of Daz software. :/

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by medeamajic

As far as I am concerned DAZ is making Bryce die a slow death.

Right, and Corel pumped so much life into it and really looked after it. And Metacreations looked after it so well, right up to the point of just selling it for what they could get.

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagula2002

This is sad news, let me explain my feeling.

I want 3d software for making content, so what will happen if the company itself sells the content and the 3d software? I think the weight of the program shifts to just doing that, being good at using the purchased content. What did they do with Bryce and did you see the update price.

And the following remark does not make me feel any better. (I have pre-ordered HEX2!)

"P.S. For those of you who have not pre-ordered Hex2 don't do it yet.
There is some additional news that you should hear before you do."

This was posted by Dan Farr from DAZ over at Renderosity Poser forum in
response to some of the concerns regarding the announcements.

Thanks for doing this for your (ex)customers EOVIA! I have invested a lot of
money in EOVIA
software (Carrara 1,2,3,4pro and 5pro, Amapi 6 and 7designer, Hexagon 1 and 2)

Now you dump me and your software on the sidewalk of this content giant.

Feel free to comment on this EOVIA!

Don't you just love selective quoting.

Also from Dan Farr:
Even though we did not own Eovia at the time you made the pre-order I can assure you that we will do something for people who have pre-ordered. You will not "get the shaft" but will be getting more than you bargained for.

Dan

also
Otaku, as I said before, the acquisition has not affected the delivery of Hexagon 2. It is later than they had projected it to be which would have been the case no matter who's name was on the Stock certificates. If we would have owned it earlier, we would not have done the pre-sales. With that being said, it's development is continuing with the exact same team with it's exact specification and development schedule that it had prior to our purchasing the product.

Dan

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottC

This is terrible news. Changing development teams on a software package that was just starting to look really promising, right after the 2.0 release is the kiss of death.

I never thought Id own a piece of Daz software. :/

What change in development team?

I cant give you any re-assurance other than restating that the team who has worked on Carrara will continue to work on Carrara and the team that has worked on Hexagon is still working on Hexagon. We are every bit as committed to see that these products will continue to develop as the last owners of Eovia were. Dan

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 11:00

And before you gather your pitch-forks and torches and start shouting 'Heathen' in my direction, my take is wait and see. The only thing I am concerned about is the delay to Hexagon 2

vagula2002 · 25th April 2006, 11:24

"Don't you just love selective quoting." Well I can see you love it.
We just make different selections.

I used this selection because that remark made me feel like I was better off not to pre-order (but I already did). I mean that is what he say's "don't do it yet"

I'm not happy, you are! And we are both right. It does not help you telling me I'm wrong.

I was explaining my feeling.

I wish you all the best with DAZ software, I'm gonna look for something else.

Thomas · 25th April 2006, 11:33

I am really sorry to not have been able to answer earlier. As an Eovia Europe employee, I am not able to answer to all questions, nor to comment the DAZ acquisition news. As it has been said by Dan on DAZ forum, the Hexagon 2.0 release will not be delayed, and will be followed soon by a 2.1 release. Regarding the future, strategy, future roadmaps of Hexagon and Carrara, the best is to communicate with Bob Stockwell, from Eovia Corp, bob.stocwkell@eovia.com.

I also have to remember you that it is my -personnal- forum, not an Eovia official forum. And I'm not so rich...

JakalDesign · 25th April 2006, 11:36

thanks for some clarification Thomas... but it must be alittle hard to take this news right before the start of your buisness to sell training DVDs for Hexagon?

the_peculier · 25th April 2006, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagula2002

"Don't you just love selective quoting." Well I can see you love it.
We just make different selections.

I used this selection because that remark made me feel like I was better off not to pre-order (but I already did). I mean that is what he say's "don't do it yet"

I'm not happy, you are! And we are both right. It does not help you telling me I'm wrong.

I wish you all the best with DAZ software, I'm gonna look for something else.

I didn't selectively quote anything, I filled in the missing quotes you left out.

Who said I was happy? I said I will wait and see. In fact I am not happy. I wanted Hexagon 2 now as I need the new features on a few projects. The delay is down down software problems and not Daz. Problems not communicated to us by Eovia even as the 28th approached.

Carrara and Hexagon are now part of Daz and that's it. The sad part of modern life is that companies get taken over all the time (look at Alias) and saying you are going to go elsewhere isn't going to stop that which has already happened.

Senyac · 25th April 2006, 12:03

Hi thomas

what is going to happen with this web forum ?
will you keep it going? or will we lose this fanastic site with all its tutorials ?

Thomas · 25th April 2006, 12:05

I won't close at all my website, and I don't see why I'll close it!

Senyac · 25th April 2006, 12:13

well thats at least one thing im happy about

thanks Thomas

andywright · 25th April 2006, 12:14

Still no change in the Eovia website (10.15 GMT), no obvious news on the Daz website (though some similar discussion in the forum), and I am not a member of Artzone so can't get in.

Exactly when will we 'normal' customers have an official announcement on exactly what is happening ? In particular, I don't like the sound of some of the quotes that Daz's staff are suggesting its not a good idea to pre-order Hexagon 2 (which I did as soon as it was announced)

KosagiNoLegion · 25th April 2006, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by medeamajic

The Corel Bryce was decent. Corel added a tree editor and a few other things. Daz added the stupid Daz Studio support but the stability took a big hit from what I have read and the net work rendering also took a hit. Bryce 5.5 was a joke in the CG world. Bryce 5.0 from Corel was OK.

Network rendering works okay, though it could be a bit faster. As for stability? Haven't had any problems with it. If anything, it seems more stable to me. Corel drove it into the ground and it's going to take a lot of work to fix - if it can be fixed at all.

Quote:

Are most of you upset about the sale of Eovia because Daz bought them?

Not me. I'm waiting to see what the effect is before I get mad.

otaku · 25th April 2006, 14:37

There are some changes at the site. Check out my post on the release date? thread

Andreseloy · 25th April 2006, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

I am really sorry to not have been able to answer earlier. As an Eovia Europe employee, I am not able to answer to all questions, nor to comment the DAZ acquisition news. As it has been said by Dan on DAZ forum, the Hexagon 2.0 release will not be delayed, and will be followed soon by a 2.1 release. Regarding the future, strategy, future roadmaps of Hexagon and Carrara, the best is to communicate with Bob Stockwell, from Eovia Corp, bob.stocwkell@eovia.com.

I also have to remember you that it is my -personnal- forum, not an Eovia official forum. And I'm not so rich...

Thanks for remember that this is your personal forum, that explain your attitude to the users in this particular and very important situation.
I will take in account that for the future, so you can do here what you want.

So excuse me i will not request anymore about nothing to you.

Andrseloy

ps: hope you become a very rich man as is your wish but take care that the money in the life is nothing. The money dont make the people

Thomas · 25th April 2006, 15:14

Andresely:
I think you missundertand a lot of thing. Please, don't speculate or imagine things that doesn't be. (Correct my grammar as needed ;))

If I don't reply or explain, it's because I can't and not because I don't want (and you can't imagine how I want to answer...). I hope you can understand that...

Grendel · 25th April 2006, 15:27

I hope we all understand that Thomas cannot disclose information regarding the financial aspects of Eovia or make forward looking statements regarding them. Being an employee for a creative company he may have also signed an NDA or intellectual property agreement. In the coming days I'm sure more information will be released through proper public relations channels and then Thomas and Eovia Europe can get some sleep after working hard on Hexagon 2 to give us all the best product possible.

sadot · 25th April 2006, 15:32

Yeah thats right!

BluesDragon · 25th April 2006, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

I won't close at all my website, and I don't see why I'll close it!

This is very good news Thomas !!!

You and everyone else here a very good and a lot of help.

I would have been very disappointed and sad if this site went away.

25th April 2006, 11:24	#26 (permalink)
vagula2002 Worst Case Scenario Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 123	"Don't you just love selective quoting." Well I can see you love it. We just make different selections. I used this selection because that remark made me feel like I was better off not to pre-order (but I already did). I mean that is what he say's "don't do it yet" I'm not happy, you are! And we are both right. It does not help you telling me I'm wrong. I was explaining my feeling. I wish you all the best with DAZ software, I'm gonna look for something else. __________________ http://www.gorehoundinc.com/ EXPLICIT

25th April 2006, 11:33	#27 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,323	I am really sorry to not have been able to answer earlier. As an Eovia Europe employee, I am not able to answer to all questions, nor to comment the DAZ acquisition news. As it has been said by Dan on DAZ forum, the Hexagon 2.0 release will not be delayed, and will be followed soon by a 2.1 release. Regarding the future, strategy, future roadmaps of Hexagon and Carrara, the best is to communicate with Bob Stockwell, from Eovia Corp, bob.stocwkell@eovia.com. I also have to remember you that it is my -personnal- forum, not an Eovia official forum. And I'm not so rich... __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

25th April 2006, 12:03	#30 (permalink)
Senyac Extrusion Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 153	Hi thomas what is going to happen with this web forum ? will you keep it going? or will we lose this fanastic site with all its tutorials ? __________________ Senyac P4 3ghz -800mhz FSB -2gig DDR ram Win XP Pro GF 6800 512Mbs DDR3 ram 2x 120GB - 7200RPM-8MB CACHE SATA 500GB USB Lacie d2 BigDisk 52X CDRW 16X DVD-RW HP DVD movie writer dc3000

25th April 2006, 12:05	#31 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,323	I won't close at all my website, and I don't see why I'll close it! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

25th April 2006, 12:13	#32 (permalink)
Senyac Extrusion Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 153	well thats at least one thing im happy about thanks Thomas __________________ Senyac P4 3ghz -800mhz FSB -2gig DDR ram Win XP Pro GF 6800 512Mbs DDR3 ram 2x 120GB - 7200RPM-8MB CACHE SATA 500GB USB Lacie d2 BigDisk 52X CDRW 16X DVD-RW HP DVD movie writer dc3000

25th April 2006, 10:36	#21 (permalink)
ScottC Lowest Common Denominator Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 21	This is terrible news. Changing development teams on a software package that was just starting to look really promising, right after the 2.0 release is the kiss of death. I never thought Id own a piece of Daz software. :/

25th April 2006, 11:00	#25 (permalink)
the_peculier Spline Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Posts: 45	And before you gather your pitch-forks and torches and start shouting 'Heathen' in my direction, my take is wait and see. The only thing I am concerned about is the delay to Hexagon 2

25th April 2006, 11:36	#28 (permalink)
JakalDesign Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 179	thanks for some clarification Thomas... but it must be alittle hard to take this news right before the start of your buisness to sell training DVDs for Hexagon?

25th April 2006, 12:14	#33 (permalink)
andywright Extrusion Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 154	Still no change in the Eovia website (10.15 GMT), no obvious news on the Daz website (though some similar discussion in the forum), and I am not a member of Artzone so can't get in. Exactly when will we 'normal' customers have an official announcement on exactly what is happening ? In particular, I don't like the sound of some of the quotes that Daz's staff are suggesting its not a good idea to pre-order Hexagon 2 (which I did as soon as it was announced) __________________ Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Win XP Pro, 2 GB DDR 400 MHz Geoforce 6800GT Xtreme 256 MB. Carrara 5 Pro, Hexagon 2.01, Lightwave 8.5 Poser 6, DAZ Studio, Vu 5 Infinite, Bryce 5.5 www.wright-site.co.uk

25th April 2006, 14:37	#35 (permalink)
otaku Vertex Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12	There are some changes at the site. Check out my post on the release date? thread

25th April 2006, 15:14	#37 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,323	Andresely: I think you missundertand a lot of thing. Please, don't speculate or imagine things that doesn't be. (Correct my grammar as needed ;)) If I don't reply or explain, it's because I can't and not because I don't want (and you can't imagine how I want to answer...). I hope you can understand that... __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

25th April 2006, 15:27	#38 (permalink)
Grendel Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,264	I hope we all understand that Thomas cannot disclose information regarding the financial aspects of Eovia or make forward looking statements regarding them. Being an employee for a creative company he may have also signed an NDA or intellectual property agreement. In the coming days I'm sure more information will be released through proper public relations channels and then Thomas and Eovia Europe can get some sleep after working hard on Hexagon 2 to give us all the best product possible.

25th April 2006, 15:32	#39 (permalink)
sadot yeah! thats my name Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mexico City Posts: 720	Yeah thats right!

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