Zooming in Hexagon 2 - Polyloop

-ash- · 6th April 2006, 23:35

I've been meaning to ask this for ages.

In Hex v1.2 we have ALT+LMB for rotate and ALT+RMB for pan. But there is nothing for zoom.

Is there an option in Hex 2 for another combination such as CNTRL+ALT+RMB for zoom as is done in C5?

The reason I ask is that I use a tablet so don't have a scroll wheel or middle mouse button. At the moment I use a combination of z for zoom in and number keypad 0 to zoom back out. This kind of works but it would be so much easier if it worked more like C5.

Thanks.

Patrick210 · 7th April 2006, 00:00

Hit 3 on the number pad to zoom.

Aunty Betty · 7th April 2006, 00:19

Couldn't agree more Ash - I have found this frustrating and was hoping that v2 would emulate Carrara with this feature.

Thanks for that tip Patrick

Patrick210 · 7th April 2006, 00:21

Actually all the numbers on the keypads provide different views. I use them all the time.

-ash- · 7th April 2006, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick210

Hit 3 on the number pad to zoom.

Thanks Patrick, I knew about the number keypad for zoom in and out, etc. and I use them. It's not that this doesn't work but C5, Silo, Zbrush, etc. all have keyboard modifiers for use with the mouse for all navigation, Rotate, Pan and Zoom. I had assumed this was just an oversight and would be corrected.

Aunt Betty, glad I'm not the only one that misses this in Hex.

Hopefully someone will be able to tell me if it has been added to Hex 2. If not then I'll add it to the feature requests.

mon_stdnt · 7th April 2006, 02:32

doesn't the scrool wheel zom on the on image?

Or you could use the #1 in the # pad to zoom in a particular area.

toonman · 7th April 2006, 04:30

We could defenitely use better MOUSE BUTTONS customization in the Hexagon's "shortcut Editor". This would be a helpful feature.

mikebres · 7th April 2006, 07:29

Well, yea. The scroll wheel zooms in. I use it all the time.

toonman · 7th April 2006, 07:43

The scroll wheel is not the issue here. Customization of all the mouse buttons in the Hexagon's "shortcut Editor" is what I am talking about.

Cheers!

-ash- · 7th April 2006, 14:30

hi people,

I don't have a scroll wheel, as I said in my post, I use a tablet. I have RSI (repetiive strain injury) in my wrist. I can only use a mouse for about 45 minutes before it hurts too much to continue. The wrist then aches for several days afterwards. So, I use the tablet for everything.

I suspect many other users will also use a tablet now that Hex has support for them to texture, displacement paint, etc.

Jumping around the keyboard to zoom rather than keeping your hand on the alt/shift/cntrl is slower and likely to give me RSI in my left shoulder as well

. Considering how many programs use this system (including C5) I am surprised it wasn't there from the start.

I bought myself a smaller, narrower keyboard to try to compensate and it has helped a bit but I really was hoping someone could tell me if this has changed for Hex 2. Just making it the same as C5 would be good for me.

BluesDragon · 8th April 2006, 04:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ash-

hi people,

I don't have a scroll wheel, as I said in my post, I use a tablet. I have RSI (repetiive strain injury) in my wrist. I can only use a mouse for about 45 minutes before it hurts too much to continue. The wrist then aches for several days afterwards. So, I use the tablet for everything.

I suspect many other users will also use a tablet now that Hex has support for them to texture, displacement paint, etc.

Jumping around the keyboard to zoom rather than keeping your hand on the alt/shift/cntrl is slower and likely to give me RSI in my left shoulder as well

. Considering how many programs use this system (including C5) I am surprised it wasn't there from the start.

I bought myself a smaller, narrower keyboard to try to compensate and it has helped a bit but I really was hoping someone could tell me if this has changed for Hex 2. Just making it the same as C5 would be good for me.

Ash, you might want to look at the Belkin Nostromo Speedpad N52. They retail for about $30-$40 USD.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...duct_Id=157024

It is designed for one hand, has 15 keys, scroll wheel, a gamepad type mouse control and two buttons. EVERYTHING on it is fully customizable including assigning key combinations and macros on the keys (macros on the other controls too, but I haven't tried that yet).

The gamepad has 8 programmable positions if you don't want mouse control.

It is technically designed for the gaming industry, but I find it works really well in 3D apps too where a lot of key combos are used.

Cheers,

Steve

-ash- · 8th April 2006, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluesDragon

Ash, you might want to look at the Belkin Nostromo Speedpad N52. They retail for about $30-$40 USD.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...duct_Id=157024

It is designed for one hand, has 15 keys, scroll wheel, a gamepad type mouse control and two buttons. EVERYTHING on it is fully customizable including assigning key combinations and macros on the keys (macros on the other controls too, but I haven't tried that yet).

The gamepad has 8 programmable positions if you don't want mouse control.

It is technically designed for the gaming industry, but I find it works really well in 3D apps too where a lot of key combos are used.

Cheers,

Steve

Thanks for the suggestion Steve. I'll check it out, though I've tried other types of input device, trackballs, etc. and so far the tablet is the only one that I can use all day long without too much discomfort. Even the playstation joypads are quite bad for me.

I think it is because using a pen keeps the wrist in a more natural position than any other device. I think most people agree that for any kind of digital painting a tablet is a must. But I would urge all users to be carefull using a mouse intensively for long periods of time. Watch out for twinges and pains in the wrist, thumb, elbow or shoulder. These are all signs of RSI and once the damage is done it is permanent

I damaged my wrist nearly twenty years ago by using a computer on a very badly designed mobile computer desk. At that time no-one was really aware of the physical problems using computers could bring. I am pleased to say that things are generally better now.

It is not only the hardware though. Well designed workflow in the software can go a long way to minimizing repetitive actions. Thus the focus of this topic

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-ash- · 8th April 2006, 10:38

Oh, and still, can anyone answer my original question?

Is there an option in Hex 2 for another combination such as CNTRL+ALT+RMB for zoom as is done in C5?

Thanks.

BluesDragon · 8th April 2006, 18:19

I see what you mean, I had the beginnings of Carpal Tunnel myself and had to change things about a year ago. That's why I got the Nostromo and a Gryation Gyro Mouse. Helped a lot. The Nostromo has a mouse wheel on it and I could use it with my left hand and have all the shortcuts combos I used a lot configured on single keys right at my fingertips.

I am pretty sure there is 3rd party software that would remap the shortcuts for you (though I haven't tried them with Hexagon yet), but I def agree that being able to configure the shortcuts the way you like in Hexagon would be a great feature to have.

There is no way I know how to do it in Hex without using 3rd party hardware and/or software.

-ash- · 8th April 2006, 18:45

Glad you've got something that works for you, Steve. I think it is different for everybody and what works for one person may not be good for another. I've been using a tablet since the late eighties and am very comfortable with it. But I know people who really can't adjust. Some can only adjust for some tasks. Glen Southern, for example, has stated that he can't really model with a tablet, he needs a mouse.

I'm thinking of upgrading this year from my Intuos(1) to the Intuos3 with the touch strips. I believe the strips can be programmed for any function so this might be the answer. I'm considering the A5 wide version. A bit more expensive but should stop me falling off the edge when dragging things from one monitor to the other.

I'm also wanting to upgrade the PC as well so I'll have to see how much money is left after that

BluesDragon · 8th April 2006, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by -ash-

Glad you've got something that works for you, Steve. I think it is different for everybody and what works for one person may not be good for another. I've been using a tablet since the late eighties and am very comfortable with it. But I know people who really can't adjust. Some can only adjust for some tasks. Glen Southern, for example, has stated that he can't really model with a tablet, he needs a mouse.

I'm thinking of upgrading this year from my Intuos(1) to the Intuos3 with the touch strips. I believe the strips can be programmed for any function so this might be the answer. I'm considering the A5 wide version. A bit more expensive but should stop me falling off the edge when dragging things from one monitor to the other.

I'm also wanting to upgrade the PC as well so I'll have to see how much money is left after that

Intuos? I haven't heard of them, I just have a small Wacom Graphire. I don't to a lot of testuring (yet) so it works fine for me. The larger ones get quite pricey.

Glad that Hex2 will have tablet support.

-ash- · 8th April 2006, 19:39

Intuos is Wacom's other main line of tablets. More pressure levels and better resolution than the graphire, but of coarse more expensive.

Here's a link to the US site: http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/intuos.cfm

Here's another link to an article I just spotted on their site about repetitiive stress: http://www.wacom.com/comfort/index.cfm

Of course they are a bit biased towards their own products but I agree with them wholeheartedly

ronjurman · 8th April 2006, 23:03

Alt+MMB (middle mouse button)

and it zooms more smoothly than using the scroll wheel. No trouble setting up a Graphire pen side button to do the trick.

hth

rj

laughingnome · 8th April 2006, 23:39

Quote:

Glen Southern, for example, has stated that he can't really model with a tablet, he needs a mouse.

i agree with that btw i can only use a logitech marble mouse ,though i have an intuious 2 tablet buried somewhere i rarely use it.
cant even use a regular mouse even a digi one.

stu

inneractive · 12th April 2006, 03:43

I am a Tablet user as well, my wrist and arm will start to get sore after hours of work with a mouse. Are there shortcut keys for the Pan Mode, Rotate Mode, and Zoom Modes represented at the bottom of the UI. I cannot find them.

The ALT Mouse Button method does not work well for me because when my pen nib touches the tablet it is seen as a Left Mouse Click by Hexagon, even if I am holding down the Right and Middle pen buttons. In XSI I just use the hotkeys for Pan/Zoom and Orbit modes.

6th April 2006, 23:35	#1 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 780	Zooming in Hexagon 2 I've been meaning to ask this for ages. In Hex v1.2 we have ALT+LMB for rotate and ALT+RMB for pan. But there is nothing for zoom. Is there an option in Hex 2 for another combination such as CNTRL+ALT+RMB for zoom as is done in C5? The reason I ask is that I use a tablet so don't have a scroll wheel or middle mouse button. At the moment I use a combination of z for zoom in and number keypad 0 to zoom back out. This kind of works but it would be so much easier if it worked more like C5. Thanks. __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

7th April 2006, 00:19	#3 (permalink)
Aunty Betty In the blooming heather Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Little Happening Posts: 569	Couldn't agree more Ash - I have found this frustrating and was hoping that v2 would emulate Carrara with this feature. Thanks for that tip Patrick __________________ aka Boozy Floozie

7th April 2006, 02:32	#6 (permalink)
mon_stdnt Always learning Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 447	doesn't the scrool wheel zom on the on image? Or you could use the #1 in the # pad to zoom in a particular area. __________________ www.rgamarra.com

7th April 2006, 04:30	#7 (permalink)
toonman NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 116	We could defenitely use better MOUSE BUTTONS customization in the Hexagon's "shortcut Editor". This would be a helpful feature. __________________ Mac G5 Dual - OSX

7th April 2006, 07:43	#9 (permalink)
toonman NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 116	The scroll wheel is not the issue here. Customization of all the mouse buttons in the Hexagon's "shortcut Editor" is what I am talking about. Cheers! __________________ Mac G5 Dual - OSX

7th April 2006, 00:00	#2 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	Hit 3 on the number pad to zoom.

7th April 2006, 00:21	#4 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	Actually all the numbers on the keypads provide different views. I use them all the time.

7th April 2006, 07:29	#8 (permalink)
mikebres Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 17	Well, yea. The scroll wheel zooms in. I use it all the time.

7th April 2006, 14:30	#10 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 780	hi people, I don't have a scroll wheel, as I said in my post, I use a tablet. I have RSI (repetiive strain injury) in my wrist. I can only use a mouse for about 45 minutes before it hurts too much to continue. The wrist then aches for several days afterwards. So, I use the tablet for everything. I suspect many other users will also use a tablet now that Hex has support for them to texture, displacement paint, etc. Jumping around the keyboard to zoom rather than keeping your hand on the alt/shift/cntrl is slower and likely to give me RSI in my left shoulder as well . Considering how many programs use this system (including C5) I am surprised it wasn't there from the start. I bought myself a smaller, narrower keyboard to try to compensate and it has helped a bit but I really was hoping someone could tell me if this has changed for Hex 2. Just making it the same as C5 would be good for me. __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

8th April 2006, 10:38	#13 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 780	Oh, and still, can anyone answer my original question? Is there an option in Hex 2 for another combination such as CNTRL+ALT+RMB for zoom as is done in C5? Thanks. __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

8th April 2006, 18:19	#14 (permalink)
BluesDragon Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 243	I see what you mean, I had the beginnings of Carpal Tunnel myself and had to change things about a year ago. That's why I got the Nostromo and a Gryation Gyro Mouse. Helped a lot. The Nostromo has a mouse wheel on it and I could use it with my left hand and have all the shortcuts combos I used a lot configured on single keys right at my fingertips. I am pretty sure there is 3rd party software that would remap the shortcuts for you (though I haven't tried them with Hexagon yet), but I def agree that being able to configure the shortcuts the way you like in Hexagon would be a great feature to have. There is no way I know how to do it in Hex without using 3rd party hardware and/or software.

8th April 2006, 18:45	#15 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 780	Glad you've got something that works for you, Steve. I think it is different for everybody and what works for one person may not be good for another. I've been using a tablet since the late eighties and am very comfortable with it. But I know people who really can't adjust. Some can only adjust for some tasks. Glen Southern, for example, has stated that he can't really model with a tablet, he needs a mouse. I'm thinking of upgrading this year from my Intuos(1) to the Intuos3 with the touch strips. I believe the strips can be programmed for any function so this might be the answer. I'm considering the A5 wide version. A bit more expensive but should stop me falling off the edge when dragging things from one monitor to the other. I'm also wanting to upgrade the PC as well so I'll have to see how much money is left after that __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

8th April 2006, 19:39	#17 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 780	Intuos is Wacom's other main line of tablets. More pressure levels and better resolution than the graphire, but of coarse more expensive. Here's a link to the US site: http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/intuos.cfm Here's another link to an article I just spotted on their site about repetitiive stress: http://www.wacom.com/comfort/index.cfm Of course they are a bit biased towards their own products but I agree with them wholeheartedly __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

8th April 2006, 23:03	#18 (permalink)
ronjurman Box modeling Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 201	Alt+MMB (middle mouse button) and it zooms more smoothly than using the scroll wheel. No trouble setting up a Graphire pen side button to do the trick. hth rj

12th April 2006, 03:43	#20 (permalink)
inneractive Vertex Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: California Posts: 12	I am a Tablet user as well, my wrist and arm will start to get sore after hours of work with a mouse. Are there shortcut keys for the Pan Mode, Rotate Mode, and Zoom Modes represented at the bottom of the UI. I cannot find them. The ALT Mouse Button method does not work well for me because when my pen nib touches the tablet it is seen as a Left Mouse Click by Hexagon, even if I am holding down the Right and Middle pen buttons. In XSI I just use the hotkeys for Pan/Zoom and Orbit modes.

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