Chamfering TEXT - Polyloop

Bucharest · 1st December 2004, 06:19

HI .......TO EVERYBODY........
I am new to this forum and new to Amapi Pro 7.0.I have a question,WHY CHAMFERING IT IS NOT WORKING ON THE TEXT.I NEED TO DO SOME NICE BEVELING BUT I CAN'T DO IT.IT'S THIS A LIMITATION OF THE SOFTWARE OR IT CAN'T BE DONE IN AMAPI PRO OR WHAT IT IS WRONG?I need to do some 3D text for a video project so can someone help me?
THANK YOU

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Shonner · 1st December 2004, 08:53

It would seem that you have to be in polygon mode (not NURBS mode) when you add a text object for the bevel to work. It also depends on the font you use. Microsoft's TrueTypes are rather clean and bevel nicely.

Bucharest · 1st December 2004, 18:19

HI.........THANK YOU FOR TAKEING TIME TO HELP ME.I TRYED IN POLYGON MODE WITH MICROSOFT TrueTypes AND IT IS NOT WORKING,IT IS NOT WORKING WITH ANY KIND OF FONTS,AND NOW I HAVE ANOTHER SUPRISE ,ALMOST EVERYTIME I AM TRYING TO ADJUST THE DEPTH,I CAN'T CONTROL IT ANYMORE,I AM GETTING DOUBLE OR TRIPLE SIZE THAN BEFORE ON THE SAME NR.OF DEPTH,I AM TYPEING THE DEPTH NR.AN IT IS NOT WORKING EVERYTIME,AND WHEN I DO NOT TYPE ANY NR.AND I AM USING ,TO INCREASE OR DECRES THE DEPTH WITHOUT TYPING IT IS NOT WORKING RIGHT.I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM FEW TIMES TO GET THE DEPTH WORKING RIGHT ,BUT SOON I AM PLAYING AGAIN TO ADJUST THE DEPTH IT IS NOT WORKING RIGHT AFTER A WHILE.DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS A BUG OR THIS IT IS A LIMITATION OF THE SOFTWARE.IF NOT, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME TO FIND A WAY TO AD CHAMFERING TO TEXT,BECAUSE I AM TRYING FOR TO MANY HOURS ANY KIND OF TRICK AND IT IS NOT WORKING FOR ME.THANK YOU

Shonner · 1st December 2004, 20:29

Well... the text I used for my avatar was drawn using the Polyline Tool. I chamfered the corners of the lines to make curves and then I extruded the lines to add depth to the text. Then I chamfered (beveled) the front edges of the text. See http://www.shonner.com/amapi for a close-up.

You may have to model your text by hand as well.

Bucharest · 2nd December 2004, 00:31

I Know that, it is working outside the Text,but my intentions where to use it very easy using different font styles,not to build the entire text with drawing tools.It easy to do that in ZAXWERKS 3D (pug-in for AFTER EFFECTS) or other 3d programs.I was expecting that from AMAPI PRO TO BUILD VERY EASY AND FAST -FROM DIFFERENT TYPE FONTS / STYLES .LIKE THIS THE WAY IT IS, IT IS A TIME CONSUMING.I am new to AMAPI PRO ,and i got it because it is easy to work with ,but if they are doing this in a future version to be able to use text ,and apply chamfering to it ,that will bennefit the film or video editors,i think everybody it will enjoy it,because it will be faster.
THANK YOU .......
Cristian

bigkahuna · 2nd December 2004, 02:11

Hi Cristian,

This may not help you, but "chamfered" text is -super- easy with Carrara. I downloaded the demo last week, and in 5 minutes I completed my first animated 3D text, complete with nicely chamfered edges, chrome textures and animated lights.

The demo version is almost completely fully functional (for 30 days, can't save projects) which is more than long enough to get a feel for it's animation and modeling tools.

I'm hoping the package I ordered yesterday (Carrara 4 Pro + Amapi Studio 7) will do for me what you're trying to do...

Paul

Shonner · 2nd December 2004, 02:35

I'm using Amapi Pro 7.5 on Windows98SE and notice that the capital "A" from my MS Arial Bold font is jacked. It still chamfered though. Maybe Microsoft's TrueTypes aren't all that great.

Bucharest · 2nd December 2004, 04:54

HI........
IT IS MAYBE EASY AND POSSIBLE WITH CARRARA,BUT FOR THE PRICE OF AMAPI PRO IT SHOULD BE EASY TO DO IT, NOT THAT HARD.SO I AM STARTING TO THINK THAT IT IS OVERPRICED ,BECAUSE CARRARA 4 PRO IT IS CHEAPER THAN AMAPI PRO(I KNOW THAT IT'S GOT MANY OTHER FUTURES THAN CARRARA WITH AMAPI DESIGNER 7 INCLUDED).I HAVE 4 LICENCES OF CARRARA BUT THEY ARE AN OLD VERSION OF IT AND I CAN'T UPGRADE TO THE NEW VERSION OF 4.O.I AM JUST TIRED OF EOVIA'S GAME ,THEY ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU IN ONE BOX SOMETHING BUT IN THE OTHER IT IS TAKEING SOMETHING AWAY AND VICEVERSA,JUST TO MAKE YOU BUY BOTH BOXE'S, AND ABOUT THE UPGRADE PATHS IT IS THE MOST DIFICULT COMPANY THAT I EVER SEEN UNTIL NOW,THEY ARE OFFERING YOU UPGRADES JUST FOR THE RECENT VERSIONS OF EACH AMAPI AND CAR....../I HAVE NO IDEEA WHY IT IS THAT, BUT THEY ARE LOSING CUSTOMERS,THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETITION.I GOT 2 AMAPI PRO 7.0,IT IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT I PAID FOR, SO I AM NOT GOING TO GET CARRARA ANYTIME SOON,I HAVE SEVERAL 3D PROGRAMS THAT IT WILL DO THAT,I PAID TO MUCH FOR AMAPI PRO,I GOT IT JUST BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT IT IS EASY TO WORK WITH, BUT EVERYDAY I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ON IT, IS HARDER AND HARDER.I DO NOT NOW WHY I HAVE THAT IMPRESION ,MAYBE BECAUSE I PAID SO MUCH FOR THOSE 2 LICENCES.ANYWAY THANKS TO ALL FOR THE SUPPORT ,AND I HOPE IN ONE DAY SOMEBODY FROM EOVIA IT IS GOING TO WAKE UP WITH A BETTER IDEA ABOUT HOW TO DO BUSSINES.
THANK'S
CRISTIAN

Bucharest · 2nd December 2004, 18:53

HI SHOONER.........
I TRYED MANY TIMES BUT IT IS STILL NOT WORKING AT ALL.Do you have a special set up ? I do not know what to do because it is not working for me.I have a mac and pc and it is not working on none of them.I AM GETTING A LOT OF ERRORS MESSAGES,I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM TO MANY TIMES AND RESTART IT AGAIN.This can be so simple........?How did you do it .............?
THANK YOU
CRISTIAN

bigkahuna · 2nd December 2004, 20:01

I'm a newbie and just running the Amapi Studio 7 demo (my full copy arrives tomorrow). Your problem intrigues me (and it helps me to learn the program), so I gave it a go.

I was able to come close to what shonner did by using the "sweep" command and selecting the text character's front face and extruding the face out. By entering the numeric values, I was able to come close to what you want... but not perfect. It extrudes from the center of the character, not from the curve, which requires additional tweeking for each character.

There's also the "bevel-concave" setting when you place text in the work space. Unfortunately, the only option is what they call "concave" (it should actually be called "convex") and it rounds the edges, not a sharp bevel (which is the effect I assume you want).

It would be really nice if they added more "bevel" options, similar to what appears in Carrara 4 Pro, then this project would be simple.

Cristian, if you give me an idea what you want your text to look like, I can create it in Carrara 4 Pro and send it back to you. I can create an .obj file now or a .car file in a couple of days (when my full working copies arrive).

Paul

Thomas · 2nd December 2004, 23:06

please, don't write in CAPS ! it's impossible to read your messages ;)

Thank you

Shonner · 3rd December 2004, 02:02

What error message are you getting? What's the exact message?

Hugo · 3rd December 2004, 02:22

I don't understand why Amapi cost too much money if you cannot apply a chanfer on your text. It work here without any problem in poly and in most of case work in Nurbs.
DO it in Carrara if you thing it work better, but Amapi is not only a 3D text maker ... this is the poorest things i have never hear.
Please post your file for exemple if not working. We will try to help you as possible.

Shonner · 3rd December 2004, 02:47

I was able to use the Chamfer Tool on my NURBS Arial font text that I modeled. I clicked on the "A" icon at the top of the screen so that I could chamfer all the edges of the text. I got the error message you were probably getting (it showed up for each letter I typed), so I changed the radius to .05 and it worked. It was defaulting to 2.5 which was too much.

Pixelplucker · 8th December 2004, 06:32

The nurbs in Pro are not the usual poly interpreted nurbs found in designer but rather they are intended for creating actual objects. Text created in pro could be chamfered then converted to nurbs from poly mode but your basically re-interpreting the poly objects to nurb surfaces that would result in a gazillion faces (+/- 2 or so)

Carrara has outstanding text bevels and for general animation or rendering work it does the job, Amapi Designer you can do similar work. But in Pro the type of Nurbs are intended for real product production (CAD) where the nurbs and in this case called BREP surfaces carry different information and not generally intended to make pretty objects but rather objects that are accurate. Another way to explain it is to say that when you make a poly sphere, to make it smooth you add points, in Pro you just simply define it and a CNC translation would be just that.

Hope this sort of clears stuff up.
PP

Bucharest · 8th December 2004, 07:05

Thank's for your help ,i agree with you but .......i just download the upgrade to Amapi Pro 7 : Patch 7.16,and it is working better then before with some errors,but is working.I have to agree that in Carrara beveling it is much more easyer AND BETTER than Amapi Pro,but for a product of
$700 it better do the job as easy as Carrara Pro,because now i will have to spend another $500 and what...i have 3 products Carrara Pro + Designer and Amapi Pro, a total of $1200 and for another $800 more i will get Maya or any other product more advanced.DO not take me wrong,both products are great but they are not complet,you will need both to do the job and for a lot of money.Carrara pro it is a very good value,But Amapi pro it is close to a good value,i think needs some improvement ,not that much but needs some,in special when it is coming to beveling text...etc..Like i said for $700 it better do the job.AND another think,it is no way of importing in Amapi Pro any shaders,maybe i want to create my own shaders and import them in Amapi,but is is no future like that of importing shaders,what you got from Eovia and that's it.I think version 6 or 5 got a future like this to import shaders ,but why it is not in Amapi pro........?........i have to go in Carrara for some shaders and rendering,and for that i consider that Amapi pro needs some improvemets, and there is no company that i know that makes a plug-in for Amapi pro with some shaders.
Thank's.........
Cristian

Pixelplucker · 8th December 2004, 17:55

Amapi Pro is an excellent product and offers high end controls but keep in mind its targeted toward the Rhino and FormZ class of modeling and not the general modeling and animation that consists of poly based output and manipulation. The surfaces in it behave much different and are more restrictive then working in poly mode or working in the nurbs in designer. Either way when coupled with Carrara gives many the power to create, render and animate with the controls, feedback and quality that rival much more expensive packages.
I use Pro here but mostly in poly mode unless I need to make a manifold surface or do a gazzillion cuts. Porting to Carrara works well sicne Carrara has excellent smooth surfaces with low poly counts.

BTW if you consider Maya you need to consider a cad class video card so plan on tacking another $500-$1500 on your budget and the basic Maya isn't all that great untill you upgrade to the full blown product. Same said with Max and all the plugs and Softimage. If you consider Electric Image you will be short a modeler.
Bang for the buck and system stability make Carrara and Amapi an easy choice for many.

Keep in mind I'm a former Max and EI user and have switched over.

PP

1st December 2004, 06:19	#1 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	Chamfering TEXT HI .......TO EVERYBODY........ I am new to this forum and new to Amapi Pro 7.0.I have a question,WHY CHAMFERING IT IS NOT WORKING ON THE TEXT.I NEED TO DO SOME NICE BEVELING BUT I CAN'T DO IT.IT'S THIS A LIMITATION OF THE SOFTWARE OR IT CAN'T BE DONE IN AMAPI PRO OR WHAT IT IS WRONG?I need to do some 3D text for a video project so can someone help me? THANK YOU [/b]

1st December 2004, 08:53	#2 (permalink)
Shonner Extrusion Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	It would seem that you have to be in polygon mode (not NURBS mode) when you add a text object for the bevel to work. It also depends on the font you use. Microsoft's TrueTypes are rather clean and bevel nicely. __________________ Shonner

1st December 2004, 20:29	#4 (permalink)
Shonner Extrusion Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	Well... the text I used for my avatar was drawn using the Polyline Tool. I chamfered the corners of the lines to make curves and then I extruded the lines to add depth to the text. Then I chamfered (beveled) the front edges of the text. See http://www.shonner.com/amapi for a close-up. You may have to model your text by hand as well. __________________ Shonner

2nd December 2004, 02:35	#7 (permalink)
Shonner Extrusion Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	I'm using Amapi Pro 7.5 on Windows98SE and notice that the capital "A" from my MS Arial Bold font is jacked. It still chamfered though. Maybe Microsoft's TrueTypes aren't all that great. __________________ Shonner

2nd December 2004, 23:06	#11 (permalink)
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1st December 2004, 18:19	#3 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	HI.........THANK YOU FOR TAKEING TIME TO HELP ME.I TRYED IN POLYGON MODE WITH MICROSOFT TrueTypes AND IT IS NOT WORKING,IT IS NOT WORKING WITH ANY KIND OF FONTS,AND NOW I HAVE ANOTHER SUPRISE ,ALMOST EVERYTIME I AM TRYING TO ADJUST THE DEPTH,I CAN'T CONTROL IT ANYMORE,I AM GETTING DOUBLE OR TRIPLE SIZE THAN BEFORE ON THE SAME NR.OF DEPTH,I AM TYPEING THE DEPTH NR.AN IT IS NOT WORKING EVERYTIME,AND WHEN I DO NOT TYPE ANY NR.AND I AM USING ,TO INCREASE OR DECRES THE DEPTH WITHOUT TYPING IT IS NOT WORKING RIGHT.I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM FEW TIMES TO GET THE DEPTH WORKING RIGHT ,BUT SOON I AM PLAYING AGAIN TO ADJUST THE DEPTH IT IS NOT WORKING RIGHT AFTER A WHILE.DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS A BUG OR THIS IT IS A LIMITATION OF THE SOFTWARE.IF NOT, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME TO FIND A WAY TO AD CHAMFERING TO TEXT,BECAUSE I AM TRYING FOR TO MANY HOURS ANY KIND OF TRICK AND IT IS NOT WORKING FOR ME.THANK YOU

2nd December 2004, 00:31	#5 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	I Know that, it is working outside the Text,but my intentions where to use it very easy using different font styles,not to build the entire text with drawing tools.It easy to do that in ZAXWERKS 3D (pug-in for AFTER EFFECTS) or other 3d programs.I was expecting that from AMAPI PRO TO BUILD VERY EASY AND FAST -FROM DIFFERENT TYPE FONTS / STYLES .LIKE THIS THE WAY IT IS, IT IS A TIME CONSUMING.I am new to AMAPI PRO ,and i got it because it is easy to work with ,but if they are doing this in a future version to be able to use text ,and apply chamfering to it ,that will bennefit the film or video editors,i think everybody it will enjoy it,because it will be faster. THANK YOU ....... Cristian

2nd December 2004, 02:11	#6 (permalink)
bigkahuna Spline Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 48	Hi Cristian, This may not help you, but "chamfered" text is -super- easy with Carrara. I downloaded the demo last week, and in 5 minutes I completed my first animated 3D text, complete with nicely chamfered edges, chrome textures and animated lights. The demo version is almost completely fully functional (for 30 days, can't save projects) which is more than long enough to get a feel for it's animation and modeling tools. I'm hoping the package I ordered yesterday (Carrara 4 Pro + Amapi Studio 7) will do for me what you're trying to do... Paul

2nd December 2004, 04:54	#8 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	HI........ IT IS MAYBE EASY AND POSSIBLE WITH CARRARA,BUT FOR THE PRICE OF AMAPI PRO IT SHOULD BE EASY TO DO IT, NOT THAT HARD.SO I AM STARTING TO THINK THAT IT IS OVERPRICED ,BECAUSE CARRARA 4 PRO IT IS CHEAPER THAN AMAPI PRO(I KNOW THAT IT'S GOT MANY OTHER FUTURES THAN CARRARA WITH AMAPI DESIGNER 7 INCLUDED).I HAVE 4 LICENCES OF CARRARA BUT THEY ARE AN OLD VERSION OF IT AND I CAN'T UPGRADE TO THE NEW VERSION OF 4.O.I AM JUST TIRED OF EOVIA'S GAME ,THEY ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU IN ONE BOX SOMETHING BUT IN THE OTHER IT IS TAKEING SOMETHING AWAY AND VICEVERSA,JUST TO MAKE YOU BUY BOTH BOXE'S, AND ABOUT THE UPGRADE PATHS IT IS THE MOST DIFICULT COMPANY THAT I EVER SEEN UNTIL NOW,THEY ARE OFFERING YOU UPGRADES JUST FOR THE RECENT VERSIONS OF EACH AMAPI AND CAR....../I HAVE NO IDEEA WHY IT IS THAT, BUT THEY ARE LOSING CUSTOMERS,THERE IS A LOT OF COMPETITION.I GOT 2 AMAPI PRO 7.0,IT IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT I PAID FOR, SO I AM NOT GOING TO GET CARRARA ANYTIME SOON,I HAVE SEVERAL 3D PROGRAMS THAT IT WILL DO THAT,I PAID TO MUCH FOR AMAPI PRO,I GOT IT JUST BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT IT IS EASY TO WORK WITH, BUT EVERYDAY I AM TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ON IT, IS HARDER AND HARDER.I DO NOT NOW WHY I HAVE THAT IMPRESION ,MAYBE BECAUSE I PAID SO MUCH FOR THOSE 2 LICENCES.ANYWAY THANKS TO ALL FOR THE SUPPORT ,AND I HOPE IN ONE DAY SOMEBODY FROM EOVIA IT IS GOING TO WAKE UP WITH A BETTER IDEA ABOUT HOW TO DO BUSSINES. THANK'S CRISTIAN

2nd December 2004, 18:53	#9 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	HI SHOONER......... I TRYED MANY TIMES BUT IT IS STILL NOT WORKING AT ALL.Do you have a special set up ? I do not know what to do because it is not working for me.I have a mac and pc and it is not working on none of them.I AM GETTING A LOT OF ERRORS MESSAGES,I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PROGRAM TO MANY TIMES AND RESTART IT AGAIN.This can be so simple........?How did you do it .............? THANK YOU CRISTIAN

2nd December 2004, 20:01	#10 (permalink)
bigkahuna Spline Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 48	I'm a newbie and just running the Amapi Studio 7 demo (my full copy arrives tomorrow). Your problem intrigues me (and it helps me to learn the program), so I gave it a go. I was able to come close to what shonner did by using the "sweep" command and selecting the text character's front face and extruding the face out. By entering the numeric values, I was able to come close to what you want... but not perfect. It extrudes from the center of the character, not from the curve, which requires additional tweeking for each character. There's also the "bevel-concave" setting when you place text in the work space. Unfortunately, the only option is what they call "concave" (it should actually be called "convex") and it rounds the edges, not a sharp bevel (which is the effect I assume you want). It would be really nice if they added more "bevel" options, similar to what appears in Carrara 4 Pro, then this project would be simple. Cristian, if you give me an idea what you want your text to look like, I can create it in Carrara 4 Pro and send it back to you. I can create an .obj file now or a .car file in a couple of days (when my full working copies arrive). Paul

3rd December 2004, 02:02	#12 (permalink)
Shonner Extrusion Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	What error message are you getting? What's the exact message? __________________ Shonner

3rd December 2004, 02:22	#13 (permalink)
Hugo Rhymes with Hell. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: France Posts: 2,987	I don't understand why Amapi cost too much money if you cannot apply a chanfer on your text. It work here without any problem in poly and in most of case work in Nurbs. DO it in Carrara if you thing it work better, but Amapi is not only a 3D text maker ... this is the poorest things i have never hear. Please post your file for exemple if not working. We will try to help you as possible.

3rd December 2004, 02:47	#14 (permalink)
Shonner Extrusion Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 190	I was able to use the Chamfer Tool on my NURBS Arial font text that I modeled. I clicked on the "A" icon at the top of the screen so that I could chamfer all the edges of the text. I got the error message you were probably getting (it showed up for each letter I typed), so I changed the radius to .05 and it worked. It was defaulting to 2.5 which was too much. __________________ Shonner

8th December 2004, 06:32	#15 (permalink)
Pixelplucker Boolean Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	The nurbs in Pro are not the usual poly interpreted nurbs found in designer but rather they are intended for creating actual objects. Text created in pro could be chamfered then converted to nurbs from poly mode but your basically re-interpreting the poly objects to nurb surfaces that would result in a gazillion faces (+/- 2 or so) Carrara has outstanding text bevels and for general animation or rendering work it does the job, Amapi Designer you can do similar work. But in Pro the type of Nurbs are intended for real product production (CAD) where the nurbs and in this case called BREP surfaces carry different information and not generally intended to make pretty objects but rather objects that are accurate. Another way to explain it is to say that when you make a poly sphere, to make it smooth you add points, in Pro you just simply define it and a CNC translation would be just that. Hope this sort of clears stuff up. PP

8th December 2004, 07:05	#16 (permalink)
Bucharest Vertex Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA & ROMANIA Posts: 7	Thank's for your help ,i agree with you but .......i just download the upgrade to Amapi Pro 7 : Patch 7.16,and it is working better then before with some errors,but is working.I have to agree that in Carrara beveling it is much more easyer AND BETTER than Amapi Pro,but for a product of $700 it better do the job as easy as Carrara Pro,because now i will have to spend another $500 and what...i have 3 products Carrara Pro + Designer and Amapi Pro, a total of $1200 and for another $800 more i will get Maya or any other product more advanced.DO not take me wrong,both products are great but they are not complet,you will need both to do the job and for a lot of money.Carrara pro it is a very good value,But Amapi pro it is close to a good value,i think needs some improvement ,not that much but needs some,in special when it is coming to beveling text...etc..Like i said for $700 it better do the job.AND another think,it is no way of importing in Amapi Pro any shaders,maybe i want to create my own shaders and import them in Amapi,but is is no future like that of importing shaders,what you got from Eovia and that's it.I think version 6 or 5 got a future like this to import shaders ,but why it is not in Amapi pro........?........i have to go in Carrara for some shaders and rendering,and for that i consider that Amapi pro needs some improvemets, and there is no company that i know that makes a plug-in for Amapi pro with some shaders. Thank's......... Cristian

8th December 2004, 17:55	#17 (permalink)
Pixelplucker Boolean Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 91	Amapi Pro is an excellent product and offers high end controls but keep in mind its targeted toward the Rhino and FormZ class of modeling and not the general modeling and animation that consists of poly based output and manipulation. The surfaces in it behave much different and are more restrictive then working in poly mode or working in the nurbs in designer. Either way when coupled with Carrara gives many the power to create, render and animate with the controls, feedback and quality that rival much more expensive packages. I use Pro here but mostly in poly mode unless I need to make a manifold surface or do a gazzillion cuts. Porting to Carrara works well sicne Carrara has excellent smooth surfaces with low poly counts. BTW if you consider Maya you need to consider a cad class video card so plan on tacking another $500-$1500 on your budget and the basic Maya isn't all that great untill you upgrade to the full blown product. Same said with Max and all the plugs and Softimage. If you consider Electric Image you will be short a modeler. Bang for the buck and system stability make Carrara and Amapi an easy choice for many. Keep in mind I'm a former Max and EI user and have switched over. PP

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