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transient · 6th August 2007, 05:41

The stunt Daz pulled with Hexagon may have increased the user-base, but how many of them are happy? The seams issue is still there for me, and it looks like this won't be fixed. Now I have 3d-brush which is free and better than hex for texture/displacement painting.

I'm glad I didn't pay more for Hex than 32 bucks. I was a Daz believer at one point as well.

Loss leading can be a good way to boost other products in your range, but there has to be a limit to how long Daz will tolerate losing money on it's 3d software - especially if it doesn't manifestly increase their content sales.

It's been interesting to see the content guys buying and developing these products (and they've certainly saved some of them), but personally I have doubts about Daz and e-frontier and the handling of their 3d software.

Shade is an awesome program, but doesn't seem to have any priority. I'm always getting e-mails from them trying to flog skirts and poser, but never any Shade news (or books, training videos, expert tips etc. etc.). It's a shame.

steama · 6th August 2007, 06:49

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Originally Posted by transient

The stunt Daz pulled with Hexagon may have increased the user-base, but how many of them are happy? The seams issue is still there for me, and it looks like this won't be fixed. Now I have 3d-brush which is free and better than hex for texture/displacement painting.

I'm glad I didn't pay more for Hex than 32 bucks. I was a Daz believer at one point as well.

Loss leading can be a good way to boost other products in your range, but there has to be a limit to how long Daz will tolerate losing money on it's 3d software - especially if it doesn't manifestly increase their content sales.

It's been interesting to see the content guys buying and developing these products (and they've certainly saved some of them), but personally I have doubts about Daz and e-frontier and the handling of their 3d software.

Shade is an awesome program, but doesn't seem to have any priority. I'm always getting e-mails from them trying to flog skirts and poser, but never any Shade news (or books, training videos, expert tips etc. etc.). It's a shame.

I could not agree more. It has been very interesting.

Butch · 6th August 2007, 11:55

I cant belive any of this

6th August 2007, 16:38

Wow lots of speculations in this thread.

corzair · 6th August 2007, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Ringo Monfort

Wow lots of speculations in this thread.

err are you gloating?

just asking...

jbshorty · 6th August 2007, 20:56

WTF is with everybody attacking Ringo lately?

(sorry if i am misinterpreting your post)

mayito7777 · 6th August 2007, 21:22

I think that every1 needs to calm down and stop the personal attacks, we all are entitled to our opinions, Ringo is inputing his views and that needs to be respected. No one knows for sure what e-frontier had in mind when they did what they did, in my modest opinion and Thomas feel free to edit this, e-frontier stuck their feet so deep in their mouth that now they are scratching their arse. It is time to show support to those who lost their jobs and not just attack each other here.

corzair · 6th August 2007, 21:28

sorry I was also speculating

I just quickly read over the thread and was sad to hear about Amapi8 dev team really.

Sorry Ringo I didnt mean it as Bad as it sounds

corzair · 6th August 2007, 21:40

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Originally Posted by mayito7777

I think that every1 needs to calm down and stop the personal attacks, we all are entitled to our opinions, Ringo is inputing his views and that needs to be respected. No one knows for sure what e-frontier had in mind when they did what they did, in my modest opinion and Thomas feel free to edit this, e-frontier stuck their feet so deep in their mouth that now they are scratching their arse. It is time to show support to those who lost their jobs and not just attack each other here.

Actually I think e-frontier was going to be good for Amapi so I am sorely dissapointed with the result of the poor ol dev team having to face this a second time around

I personally still dont like the way DAZ's site is set up but hay that just a personal opinion.
Im not sure the direction of Carrara either Im going to wait a year before I'll bother all round

Wася · 6th August 2007, 22:51

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Originally Posted by transient

The stunt Daz pulled with Hexagon may have increased the user-base, but how many of them are happy?

But at least at that price they will not be unhappy.

12 month ago it was a good form to talk about Hex and Carrara death, so it was too hard for DAZ to retain existing customer base. All this discounts were a smart move.
Now we can see Hex and Carrara corpses are still too lively, and after Hex 3 & Carrara 6 release DAZ can find more rational balance between development recoupment and customer base expansion.

P.S. Actually 3d-brush is not free, but still beta. And still as stable as beta could be. It's nice tool, but their Russian is as bad as their English, and their so-called designer definitely must be killed.

P.S.II transient, what happened to your gorgeous sidewhiskers?

steama · 6th August 2007, 23:36

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Originally Posted by jbshorty

WTF is with everybody attacking Ringo lately?

(sorry if i am misinterpreting your post)

Yeah, I noticed the same harsh, nitpicky, treatment at Ringo. IMHO Ringo is an ultra-contributer to the community that uses Hexagon and Carrara always delivering the best and latest information and deserves much more repect. Beside that Ringo is cool and humble if you have ever dealt with him.

As I recall there were several cues that initiated this form of approach.

Also something MAJOR happened with Amapi. What is wrong with wondering (speculation) about this event (some of us have concerns like money poorly spent). We are not wabbits (no offense bezad) in cages we are people with ideas and spent money. It is human nature to put forth questions after an event like what just went down with Amapi. I feel it is a fiduciary responsiblity to yourself if you dropped a dime and purchased Amapi from e-Fronteir.

Stan

transient · 7th August 2007, 05:11

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P.S. Actually 3d-brush is not free, but still beta. And still as stable as beta could be. It's nice tool, but their Russian is as bad as their English, and their so-called designer definitely must be killed.

Fair enough, but you can use the beta indefinitely.

I know some people have been having problems with it, but it works fine for me. It would be nice if it had a less quirky interface, or a quirky interface that's cool like artrage.

Actually, a 3d artrage would rock.

jbshorty · 7th August 2007, 05:23

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Originally Posted by Wася

...and their so-called designer definitely must be killed...

oooof... I'm glad i don't work in your company...

Wася · 7th August 2007, 06:31

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Originally Posted by jbshorty

oooof... I'm glad i don't work in your company...

You're wrong. I'm kind and nice person. I love pets and children.

But those icons overstep all the limits.

Butch · 7th August 2007, 12:56

What will happen with AMAPI now?
Maybe Autodesk could buy it

Inspireology · 10th August 2007, 03:06

I cant see a company holding on to a product that has the quality of Amapi and just letting it rot. They have to sell it if they want to not waste money.

What are the opinons on Amapi 7.53? I am half on the lookout for a nurbs modeller and am considering it, but am not too sure.

corzair · 10th August 2007, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspireology

I cant see a company holding on to a product that has the quality of Amapi and just letting it rot. They have to sell it if they want to not waste money.

What are the opinons on Amapi 7.53? I am half on the lookout for a nurbs modeller and am considering it, but am not too sure.

there are still problems with 7.52 Amapi like chamfers and the ui needs updating IMHO

for me MoI looks awsome right now and well on its way to being a excellent nurb app the curve handelling is plain awesome the file format is the same as Rhino err opennurbs and can be loaded to amapi to and saved and the reloaded into MoI

MoI now even has gorden surface type tool

Amapi is more complete but at version 7.52 - MoI is starting out and a prerelease beta is out there

To be honest it reminds me of a the splines editor in carrara also but enhanced obviously

6th August 2007, 21:22	#47 (permalink)
mayito7777 Hexagoner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 751 Images: 13	I think that every1 needs to calm down and stop the personal attacks, we all are entitled to our opinions, Ringo is inputing his views and that needs to be respected. No one knows for sure what e-frontier had in mind when they did what they did, in my modest opinion and Thomas feel free to edit this, e-frontier stuck their feet so deep in their mouth that now they are scratching their arse. It is time to show support to those who lost their jobs and not just attack each other here. __________________ Seek and ye shall find. JESUS Hexagon 2\|Carrara 6 Pro\|Photoshop CS2\| Painter X http://richchurchtoday.blogspot.com/

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corzair Cube Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Manchester, England, UK Posts: 81 Images: 3	sorry I was also speculating I just quickly read over the thread and was sad to hear about Amapi8 dev team really. Sorry Ringo I didnt mean it as Bad as it sounds __________________ "If the universe is like an ocean, then humans have only just set foot on the beach."

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6th August 2007, 05:41	#41 (permalink)
transient Extrusion Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 164	The stunt Daz pulled with Hexagon may have increased the user-base, but how many of them are happy? The seams issue is still there for me, and it looks like this won't be fixed. Now I have 3d-brush which is free and better than hex for texture/displacement painting. I'm glad I didn't pay more for Hex than 32 bucks. I was a Daz believer at one point as well. Loss leading can be a good way to boost other products in your range, but there has to be a limit to how long Daz will tolerate losing money on it's 3d software - especially if it doesn't manifestly increase their content sales. It's been interesting to see the content guys buying and developing these products (and they've certainly saved some of them), but personally I have doubts about Daz and e-frontier and the handling of their 3d software. Shade is an awesome program, but doesn't seem to have any priority. I'm always getting e-mails from them trying to flog skirts and poser, but never any Shade news (or books, training videos, expert tips etc. etc.). It's a shame.

6th August 2007, 11:55	#43 (permalink)
Butch Extrusion Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 171	I cant belive any of this

6th August 2007, 16:38	#44 (permalink)
Ringo Monfort Guest Posts: n/a	Wow lots of speculations in this thread.

6th August 2007, 20:56	#46 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,314 Images: 1	WTF is with everybody attacking Ringo lately? (sorry if i am misinterpreting your post)

7th August 2007, 12:56	#55 (permalink)
Butch Extrusion Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 171	What will happen with AMAPI now? Maybe Autodesk could buy it

10th August 2007, 03:06	#56 (permalink)
Inspireology Spline Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 38	I cant see a company holding on to a product that has the quality of Amapi and just letting it rot. They have to sell it if they want to not waste money. What are the opinons on Amapi 7.53? I am half on the lookout for a nurbs modeller and am considering it, but am not too sure.