Problematic Pivot Point - Polyloop

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 08:18

I am getting angry. No matter how hard I try, I cant set the pivot point to the center of the object. Not that big of a deal one might say? Try selecting faces & edges, then rotate them. Now you see what I have to go throgh. Is this a known bug? It seems to be happening a lot ever since I installed the 2.2 update. Maybe is it possible to type in a set of numbers that determine where the pivot point goes? Or am I just going to have to get it as close to the center as I can get it, and just live with it?

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 08:38

Making sure your object is always in Position 0,0 and 0 makes life a lot easier.

(Not that they are exactly that in this screen shot!)

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 08:44

That doesn't exactly help. The object may be at 0, 0, 0, bit the pivot point is not.

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 08:51

Is this not what you mean?

If not I guess I am not understanding.

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 09:06

If you set it so that you can view the manipilator, you'll see that it's not in the center of the object. I need it to be in the center. if you try rotating edges or faces, it rotates oddly.

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 09:09

Page 48 of Help may be your answer?

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 09:13

Thats exactly what I did, but it won't stick to the center. At least, not for me.

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 09:32

It worked fine for me? Have a couple more fiddles to make sure you have not done things the wrong way. Iwill try to"make a mistake" if I can also.

The attachment for others. Good learning trying to answer questions!

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 09:37

You managed to get it directly on the center green dot? Heh. I guess I've got to fiddle around with it a bit more.

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 09:47

Well I could not do it again???? That was on my grouped file anyway.

HOWEVER in the process (forget about all before)

Open as shown in image one. Then click where I show in image 2.
Violins!. The pivot point is where it should be.

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 09:54

Shazam! it works! Sorta. I clicked the lightning bolt (collapse dynamic geo) on smoothing level zero, and shazam! it works!

bwtr · 9th July 2007, 10:07

At times it may be more workable to only click on the line BELOW the lightening bolt.

See attached

ericsnapple · 9th July 2007, 10:10

Pfsh... Hex has so many bugs... but so much potential. I hope DAZ keeps it livin'

Nate Owens · 9th July 2007, 22:33

This is just a guess, but I think when you have dynamic geo activated, there is an (invisible) deformer cage around the object. Perhaps the center aligns with the center of the cage deformer rather than the object... just guessing, will give it a try sometime - so far I don't recall having problems with getting the rotater placed where I want it.

Couerl · 10th July 2007, 01:17

That's right Nate, the cage is actually light pink I think and visible and if you have DG applied on an object with overlapping points or edges it can throw the "center" of the object off. Eric, A lot of what people call bugs are actually the way it is 'supposed' to work... Some of these things are actually good indicators that you have something wrong with the model and without these tell-tale signs you might never know. Looks like you did a fairly nice job on Patrick's guitar tut, it covers some pretty important ground.

ericsnapple · 10th July 2007, 02:07

Thanks, but I went about making it differently.

Nate Owens · 10th July 2007, 02:53

Great, Couerl, Thanks for the tip.
Maybe someday that sort of thing will be in the manual.
I've used Hex for a while - it continues to grow on me.

9th July 2007, 08:38	#2 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	Making sure your object is always in Position 0,0 and 0 makes life a lot easier. (Not that they are exactly that in this screen shot!) Attached Thumbnails

9th July 2007, 08:44	#3 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	That doesn't exactly help. The object may be at 0, 0, 0, bit the pivot point is not. __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 08:51	#4 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	Is this not what you mean? If not I guess I am not understanding. Attached Thumbnails

9th July 2007, 09:06	#5 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	If you set it so that you can view the manipilator, you'll see that it's not in the center of the object. I need it to be in the center. if you try rotating edges or faces, it rotates oddly. __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 09:13	#7 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	Thats exactly what I did, but it won't stick to the center. At least, not for me. __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 09:09	#6 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	Page 48 of Help may be your answer?

9th July 2007, 09:32	#8 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	It worked fine for me? Have a couple more fiddles to make sure you have not done things the wrong way. Iwill try to"make a mistake" if I can also. The attachment for others. Good learning trying to answer questions! Attached Thumbnails

9th July 2007, 09:37	#9 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	You managed to get it directly on the center green dot? Heh. I guess I've got to fiddle around with it a bit more. __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 09:47	#10 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	Well I could not do it again???? That was on my grouped file anyway. HOWEVER in the process (forget about all before) Open as shown in image one. Then click where I show in image 2. Violins!. The pivot point is where it should be. Attached Thumbnails

9th July 2007, 09:54	#11 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	Shazam! it works! Sorta. I clicked the lightning bolt (collapse dynamic geo) on smoothing level zero, and shazam! it works! __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 10:07	#12 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	At times it may be more workable to only click on the line BELOW the lightening bolt. See attached Attached Thumbnails

9th July 2007, 10:10	#13 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	Pfsh... Hex has so many bugs... but so much potential. I hope DAZ keeps it livin' __________________ P()RTAL

9th July 2007, 22:33	#14 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,013	This is just a guess, but I think when you have dynamic geo activated, there is an (invisible) deformer cage around the object. Perhaps the center aligns with the center of the cage deformer rather than the object... just guessing, will give it a try sometime - so far I don't recall having problems with getting the rotater placed where I want it. __________________ Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos / Blog

10th July 2007, 01:17	#15 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	That's right Nate, the cage is actually light pink I think and visible and if you have DG applied on an object with overlapping points or edges it can throw the "center" of the object off. Eric, A lot of what people call bugs are actually the way it is 'supposed' to work... Some of these things are actually good indicators that you have something wrong with the model and without these tell-tale signs you might never know. Looks like you did a fairly nice job on Patrick's guitar tut, it covers some pretty important ground.

10th July 2007, 02:07	#16 (permalink)
ericsnapple Dungeon Master Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 139	Thanks, but I went about making it differently. __________________ P()RTAL

10th July 2007, 02:53	#17 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,013	Great, Couerl, Thanks for the tip. Maybe someday that sort of thing will be in the manual. I've used Hex for a while - it continues to grow on me. __________________ Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos / Blog

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