In Praise of Hexagon - Page 2 - Polyloop

Nichod · 3rd June 2007, 18:13

Examples like this: http://www.silo3d.com/forum/showpost...0&postcount=53

Where free tessellate or connect won't work with symmetry. And when you try and get it to work in other ways...sometimes Hexagon will have an error message pop up, or just crash. Or if you are lucky nothing will happen, but you can't get symmetry to work.

Just one of many examples. Another example that made me really start saving frequently and utilize other software when hitting road blocks (that tend to lead to crashes) I had to create a visual prototype for a cellphone stand for a client. Hexagon just kept crashing with simple extrusions and attempts to tessellate.

Don't get me wrong. The workflow and tools in Hexagon are far better than a lot of the other options out there, but it still has a lot of issues with it that limits its use by me. Hopefully, Daz can pin down the issues and fix them. Or Amapi will have a similar enough workflow to take Hexagon's place.

A3DLover · 26th June 2007, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

Those "bugs" are really just user guides to help you learn to model correctly, it was brilliant of Thomas and the guys to put them there.

The "workarounds" are really the right way to do it and its only the user who thinks it should be this way or that who in all reality needs correcting.

Not to say the app can't become unstable, it can if you do something you shouldn't, but really... Its so deeply rooted in human nature to blame the computer or the app in question (whatever it may be) than to admit that they don't quite know it all yet themselves. At this point, I know the app well enough to create almost anything without a hitch and venture to bet quite a few others share my sentiments.

Hey i think your right about that to model well in H2 you need to use it correctly. I havent been modeling very much lately to hot inside to get frustrated LoL!
But yeah of late i've had very few probs with h2 lately i think it because everytime i look at the
custom tool pallete i say to myself: But that tool wont do that or wont do what i want in this/that mode-oh thats why that wont work clone/symmetry is on!

Couerl · 27th June 2007, 01:24

It's not perfect, but its very cutting edge for the money and I'm glad to hear you're getting positive results with it. The future of mid-level apps like this should be fine as the Devs all work hard to bring people the best that they can.

GKDantas · 27th June 2007, 01:41

Forget the bugs...time to find new ones!!

HEX 2.2 out right now!!

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=61022

sadot · 27th June 2007, 01:43

WOW !!! cool news

A3DLover · 27th June 2007, 05:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKDantas

Forget the bugs...time to find new ones!!

HEX 2.2 out right now!!

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=61022

Oh you got to be special to get in there!?
Well i dont wanna know how many sphincters ya gotta clean to get in that forum.
Thats ok if it costs more money they can keep it- lightwave will be my next modeler.

Couerl · 27th June 2007, 06:13

That link is a Platinum Member link (I am not Borg either). ;)

You can get it free from your account though.. LW has some learning curve and even Pete Extreme uses Hex over LW to model in. You may want to rethink that, LW is a bit steep.

bwtr · 27th June 2007, 07:23

I WON a free version of LW9.2. The modelling is NOT GOOD! I have been spoilt with Hexagon perhaps!

crazy wabbit · 27th June 2007, 14:47

brian how did you win

bwtr · 27th June 2007, 16:26

behazad there was a competition in 3d World magazine a few issues back. Amazingly I was one of the three winners. First time in 75 years I have won anything!

polydude · 27th June 2007, 18:37

It is not the tool but the person who wields it. You can make masterpieces with wings if you are good at modeling and crap with the top tools from the big boys if you don't have the skills. People who want to improve their modeling skills should take classes on art and sculpture then learn the tool you like and take it from there. Just my opinion.

-Sleepless in Seattle

Couerl · 27th June 2007, 18:40

"Only a fool blames the tool", as my old buddy used to say.

A3DLover · 27th June 2007, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

That link is a Platinum Member link (I am not Borg either). ;)

You can get it free from your account though.. LW has some learning curve and even Pete Extreme uses Hex over LW to model in. You may want to rethink that, LW is a bit steep.

LoL! I thought had a pc membership there maybe they canceled it?
I never go in their forums(Daz) anyway i like 3dc and here better
everyone here is anti-jaded.
I gotta get a bigger badder meaner pc before i can get LW anyway.
I started a big mess over at daz over the 3ds importer in bryce v5&6
i was swarmed by daz locusts with teeth like lions and tails with scorpion
stingers then they chased me to other sites and forums and my email address too- i just got the pc membership for deals which i did get bryce5&6,6.1,carrara basic2 and hex2 for like $160usd.
Ok nuff whining

Couerl · 27th June 2007, 20:06

Locusts,... I hate locusts.

I am being swarmed by a pizza burner at the moment myself.

you should have saved the dough on Bryce and C-Basics and just gone C-Pro, but oh-well. I'd also look at Modo over LW for an all-in-one package and if they can pull off some of what they are trying to do it should mature into a very nice 3D package.

tonytrout · 27th June 2007, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

behazad there was a competition in 3d World magazine a few issues back. Amazingly I was one of the three winners. First time in 75 years I have won anything!

congrats brian

Azeiku · 27th June 2007, 21:31

bwtr, just curious. How do you think Hexagon compares to Modo?

Thanks!
Azeiku

A3DLover · 27th June 2007, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

Locusts,... I hate locusts.

I am being swarmed by a pizza burner at the moment myself.

you should have saved the dough on Bryce and C-Basics and just gone C-Pro, but oh-well. I'd also look at Modo over LW for an all-in-one package and if they can pull off some of what they are trying to do it should mature into a very nice 3D package.

Awp! Spoke to soon the new h2.2 was in my downloads @ Daz
i guess they really do like my CC there, LoL!
Anyway i'll go back over and see what the that other thread was about
the new h2.2 and what dont install over 2.1 but in new directory?
Wll if i can get a demo of modo i'll check it out and C_pro is probably way harder to use than C_basic man i got so much 3d ware right now- which one, which one?

LoneGunman · 27th June 2007, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

behazad there was a competition in 3d World magazine a few issues back. Amazingly I was one of the three winners. First time in 75 years I have won anything!

Brian, I'm curious, since I have read every 3DWorld mag in last 2 years, for some reason I do not remember they offered Lightwave in at least 10 issues back, do you have a link?

bwtr · 28th June 2007, 02:44

3D World Issue87 page79.

LoneGunman · 28th June 2007, 03:46

Oh, well, I do not buy every issue, just read them all in local BookStore and get those who have something more worthy on the CD-s.

If you do not like your LightWave, fell free to transfer license to me, I will pay for shipping and handling

3rd June 2007, 18:13	#21 (permalink)
Nichod Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 612	Examples like this: http://www.silo3d.com/forum/showpost...0&postcount=53 Where free tessellate or connect won't work with symmetry. And when you try and get it to work in other ways...sometimes Hexagon will have an error message pop up, or just crash. Or if you are lucky nothing will happen, but you can't get symmetry to work. Just one of many examples. Another example that made me really start saving frequently and utilize other software when hitting road blocks (that tend to lead to crashes) I had to create a visual prototype for a cellphone stand for a client. Hexagon just kept crashing with simple extrusions and attempts to tessellate. Don't get me wrong. The workflow and tools in Hexagon are far better than a lot of the other options out there, but it still has a lot of issues with it that limits its use by me. Hopefully, Daz can pin down the issues and fix them. Or Amapi will have a similar enough workflow to take Hexagon's place. __________________ Email Me. Visit my blog! Get hundreds of shader presets! Get Art of Shaders! And a preview for Art of Skin is now available. AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 (2.2GHz/1MB L2 Cache) 1280 MB DDR 333mHz RAM 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM) 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800) I use.

27th June 2007, 01:41	#24 (permalink)
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27th June 2007, 01:24	#23 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	It's not perfect, but its very cutting edge for the money and I'm glad to hear you're getting positive results with it. The future of mid-level apps like this should be fine as the Devs all work hard to bring people the best that they can.

27th June 2007, 06:13	#27 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	That link is a Platinum Member link (I am not Borg either). ;) You can get it free from your account though.. LW has some learning curve and even Pete Extreme uses Hex over LW to model in. You may want to rethink that, LW is a bit steep.

27th June 2007, 07:23	#28 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	I WON a free version of LW9.2. The modelling is NOT GOOD! I have been spoilt with Hexagon perhaps!

27th June 2007, 14:47	#29 (permalink)
crazy wabbit Now, I learn animation Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,381	brian how did you win

27th June 2007, 16:26	#30 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	behazad there was a competition in 3d World magazine a few issues back. Amazingly I was one of the three winners. First time in 75 years I have won anything!

27th June 2007, 18:37	#31 (permalink)
polydude Vertex Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 26	It is not the tool but the person who wields it. You can make masterpieces with wings if you are good at modeling and crap with the top tools from the big boys if you don't have the skills. People who want to improve their modeling skills should take classes on art and sculpture then learn the tool you like and take it from there. Just my opinion. -Sleepless in Seattle

27th June 2007, 18:40	#32 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	"Only a fool blames the tool", as my old buddy used to say.

27th June 2007, 20:06	#34 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Locusts,... I hate locusts. I am being swarmed by a pizza burner at the moment myself. you should have saved the dough on Bryce and C-Basics and just gone C-Pro, but oh-well. I'd also look at Modo over LW for an all-in-one package and if they can pull off some of what they are trying to do it should mature into a very nice 3D package.

27th June 2007, 21:31	#36 (permalink)
Azeiku NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 104	bwtr, just curious. How do you think Hexagon compares to Modo? Thanks! Azeiku

28th June 2007, 02:44	#39 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	3D World Issue87 page79.