Amapi 8 "official" thread - Polyloop

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:30

Hi,

To avoid spreading too much information everywhere, I'll post all the information related to Amapi 8 here now.
As I told in another thread, I won't be able to answer to all the questions, then, I'm sorry if you don't have the answer to your question!

You can start by reading this thread: Amapi 8, where I started to answer some questions, and post the first elements. I post them again here, to be sure to have everything in this thread.

You can also check www.Amapi.net, which is our development Blog, but most of the news their will be posted here first

(Lucky you are!)

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:34

As you know, we worked on another software before (you see what I mean), which is based on the Amapi technology. As you can imagine, we developed for both software and Amapi now include 3D manipulators.

As you can see, some of these elements are not so unknown, and Amapi doesn't work any more only in the closest camera plan. But old Amapi users won't be afraid, Amapi still have it's "old" (and updated) default rotation and scale tool. Only the Move tool has been removed, because it doesn't add anything to the default 3D manipulators, except some confusion.

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:37

ione of the first request from designers: a "real" variable chamfer. In Amapi 7.5, you have variable chamfer, but only related to corner, BREP edges and edge only. it was impossible to add a different radius in a middle of an edge.
As you can see, it's now available!
We also change the workflow of the chamfer tool, which is now more "visual" (screenshots and movies later).

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:40

Another request for Amapi: the ability to have align guides. Amapi now include several types of guides: permanents, ephemeral (not sur of the english!) and characteristics.
On the screen capture below, you can see that a characteristic guides is available on the middle of the cylinder, which can be a big help for the line creations, objects align, etc.
As you can imagine, you can snap on the intersection of these guides, and more!

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:43

This is an example of the polygonal tools panels. We did a lot of work (and continue on this part), about the UI of Amapi.
By default, the tool organisation won't be like this screencapture, but you will be able to dock/undock the panels, collapse them or not (like the line panel below), etc.

Please, keep in mind that these tools icons may change until the final release!

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 10:46

Something on which we worked hard, is the copy on support. I will post later some screenshots and videos about it.
This is just a random result I had on a QA test.. hey, you can do Fur in Amapi! (well, don't do that at home, this action was made by well trained users

)
More serious sample later (I hope tonight)

Just a quick note: you can see the navigation icons are now directly in the 3D viewport (on the top of the screen capture)

brehaut · 5th April 2007, 12:38

Is there a new expected release date of amapi 8 like days weeks or months

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 14:32

Sorry, but I can't answer this question ;)

brehaut · 5th April 2007, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

Sorry, but I can't answer this question ;)

Ok thanks for the reply

Butch · 5th April 2007, 14:44

Thomas - The Man!
Now your talking

Thomas · 5th April 2007, 21:09

It’s time to post the first video! You will see in this short movie, the long time requested Copy on Support tool with the support of the Dynamic Geometry!

This demonstration is based on a polygonal curve, and a new option has been added, to let the user choose how many copies are needed, and not only a copy per point on the curve, like before.

Later some other videos about the Copy on Support, on curves, polymesh or NURBS surfaces.

Click on the screenshot to launch the video - Flash 6Mb

Wingnut · 5th April 2007, 21:30

Wow, That's great!!!!

rickei · 6th April 2007, 01:57

This is all looking really good!
I have had 3 Architects and 1 engineer call me this week wanting 3D renderings and I have turned them down, because I simply don't have the time to model hotels or machinery in Hex.

I think I should be adding Amapi to my tool set

I know you can't say anything about a release date, but would you expect the Mac & PC version to be released at the same time?

Thomas · 6th April 2007, 07:54

Mac & PC at the same time (as always)

carrozza · 6th April 2007, 08:18

Wow, first video!
Is it warm in here, or it' just me?!

isdnmodem · 6th April 2007, 13:18

Thank you Thomas for the video and information.

VertexSpline · 6th April 2007, 16:59

These little looks at Amapi Pro 8 are really cool Thomas. Really seems you are working some cool things in and am really excited about what I have heard and seen so far. So much so.....just upgraded to 7.52! (hopefully eventually to 8 if upgrade price is within reach)
Main reasons I jumped on board ...I think you guys are taking 8 ( and beyond) to be a very complete modeler , have confidence in the team to get things done right and having some active connection to the developer team as you help provide is priceless.
Keep up the great work.Keep showing us what you guys are trying to get done. (and do not worry...most folks here seem mature and wise enough to know that often times things change...cannot be implemented ...do not work well enough to be included in the final version. So we understand......but understand this even so ...the communication and interaction is oh so important to capture interest (sales). And for my money ...I like the tools to be rock steady more so then rushed into an application ...so for me --Do not rush ...make it tight...make it right.....I have so much to learn and practice with 7.52 anyhows....

poe · 6th April 2007, 19:35

The video shows that the copy on support tool is very similar to that of Hexagon. With the previous Hex developers working on Amapi, is Amapi heading in the same direction that Hexagon was going? I love the ease of use with Hexagon and would seriously consider switching to Amapi (for continued development) if it is going that way.

Thanks!
poe

Pete Exxtreme · 6th April 2007, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by poe

The video shows that the copy on support tool is very similar to that of Hexagon....

Hexagon is only able to do a copy on points of the underlying curve, which is a MAJOR difference...

Sketchy · 6th April 2007, 21:50

Which means that the new added Copy on Support option is now independent of the number of points on the curve (support). In other words, you can now specify the number of copies instead or regardless of the number of points or verts on the curve. This is especially powerful when using any non-circular curve where points are generated in random order, like your copies may bunch up in one area and not in another. The new option lets you draw any curve you want and your copies will flow along that curve and will be spaced apart equally. The image below illustrates Amapi 7.5 Copy on Support tool.

Hope you now understand why Thomas will never get interested in using any modeling app such as Modo's.

He's still using Hexagon and Amapi.

5th April 2007, 10:30	#1 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Amapi 8 "official" thread Hi, To avoid spreading too much information everywhere, I'll post all the information related to Amapi 8 here now. As I told in another thread, I won't be able to answer to all the questions, then, I'm sorry if you don't have the answer to your question! You can start by reading this thread: Amapi 8, where I started to answer some questions, and post the first elements. I post them again here, to be sure to have everything in this thread. You can also check www.Amapi.net, which is our development Blog, but most of the news their will be posted here first (Lucky you are!) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR] Last edited by Thomas; 7th April 2007 at 14:26.

5th April 2007, 10:34	#2 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Manipulators and basic tools As you know, we worked on another software before (you see what I mean), which is based on the Amapi technology. As you can imagine, we developed for both software and Amapi now include 3D manipulators. As you can see, some of these elements are not so unknown, and Amapi doesn't work any more only in the closest camera plan. But old Amapi users won't be afraid, Amapi still have it's "old" (and updated) default rotation and scale tool. Only the Move tool has been removed, because it doesn't add anything to the default 3D manipulators, except some confusion. __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 10:37	#3 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Variable chamfer ione of the first request from designers: a "real" variable chamfer. In Amapi 7.5, you have variable chamfer, but only related to corner, BREP edges and edge only. it was impossible to add a different radius in a middle of an edge. As you can see, it's now available! We also change the workflow of the chamfer tool, which is now more "visual" (screenshots and movies later). __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 10:40	#4 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Align guides Another request for Amapi: the ability to have align guides. Amapi now include several types of guides: permanents, ephemeral (not sur of the english!) and characteristics. On the screen capture below, you can see that a characteristic guides is available on the middle of the cylinder, which can be a big help for the line creations, objects align, etc. As you can imagine, you can snap on the intersection of these guides, and more! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 10:43	#5 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Tools panels This is an example of the polygonal tools panels. We did a lot of work (and continue on this part), about the UI of Amapi. By default, the tool organisation won't be like this screencapture, but you will be able to dock/undock the panels, collapse them or not (like the line panel below), etc. Please, keep in mind that these tools icons may change until the final release! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 10:46	#6 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Copy on support? Something on which we worked hard, is the copy on support. I will post later some screenshots and videos about it. This is just a random result I had on a QA test.. hey, you can do Fur in Amapi! (well, don't do that at home, this action was made by well trained users ) More serious sample later (I hope tonight) Just a quick note: you can see the navigation icons are now directly in the 3D viewport (on the top of the screen capture) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 12:38	#7 (permalink)
brehaut Vertex Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 7	Is there a new expected release date of amapi 8 like days weeks or months

5th April 2007, 14:32	#8 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Sorry, but I can't answer this question ;) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 14:44	#10 (permalink)
Butch Extrusion Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 171	Thomas - The Man! Now your talking

5th April 2007, 21:09	#11 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	It’s time to post the first video! You will see in this short movie, the long time requested Copy on Support tool with the support of the Dynamic Geometry! This demonstration is based on a polygonal curve, and a new option has been added, to let the user choose how many copies are needed, and not only a copy per point on the curve, like before. Later some other videos about the Copy on Support, on curves, polymesh or NURBS surfaces. Click on the screenshot to launch the video - Flash 6Mb __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

5th April 2007, 21:30	#12 (permalink)
Wingnut Polygonal Boolean are Evil! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 97	Wow, That's great!!!!

6th April 2007, 01:57	#13 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 787	This is all looking really good! I have had 3 Architects and 1 engineer call me this week wanting 3D renderings and I have turned them down, because I simply don't have the time to model hotels or machinery in Hex. I think I should be adding Amapi to my tool set I know you can't say anything about a release date, but would you expect the Mac & PC version to be released at the same time?

6th April 2007, 07:54	#14 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,226	Mac & PC at the same time (as always) __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

6th April 2007, 08:18	#15 (permalink)
carrozza Polygonal Boolean are Evil! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 97	Wow, first video! Is it warm in here, or it' just me?!

6th April 2007, 13:18	#16 (permalink)
isdnmodem Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 184	Thank you Thomas for the video and information.

6th April 2007, 16:59	#17 (permalink)
VertexSpline Vertex Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 17	These little looks at Amapi Pro 8 are really cool Thomas. Really seems you are working some cool things in and am really excited about what I have heard and seen so far. So much so.....just upgraded to 7.52! (hopefully eventually to 8 if upgrade price is within reach) Main reasons I jumped on board ...I think you guys are taking 8 ( and beyond) to be a very complete modeler , have confidence in the team to get things done right and having some active connection to the developer team as you help provide is priceless. Keep up the great work.Keep showing us what you guys are trying to get done. (and do not worry...most folks here seem mature and wise enough to know that often times things change...cannot be implemented ...do not work well enough to be included in the final version. So we understand......but understand this even so ...the communication and interaction is oh so important to capture interest (sales). And for my money ...I like the tools to be rock steady more so then rushed into an application ...so for me --Do not rush ...make it tight...make it right.....I have so much to learn and practice with 7.52 anyhows....

6th April 2007, 19:35	#18 (permalink)
poe Vertex Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3	The video shows that the copy on support tool is very similar to that of Hexagon. With the previous Hex developers working on Amapi, is Amapi heading in the same direction that Hexagon was going? I love the ease of use with Hexagon and would seriously consider switching to Amapi (for continued development) if it is going that way. Thanks! poe

6th April 2007, 21:50	#20 (permalink)
Sketchy Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 317	Which means that the new added Copy on Support option is now independent of the number of points on the curve (support). In other words, you can now specify the number of copies instead or regardless of the number of points or verts on the curve. This is especially powerful when using any non-circular curve where points are generated in random order, like your copies may bunch up in one area and not in another. The new option lets you draw any curve you want and your copies will flow along that curve and will be spaced apart equally. The image below illustrates Amapi 7.5 Copy on Support tool. Hope you now understand why Thomas will never get interested in using any modeling app such as Modo's. He's still using Hexagon and Amapi. Last edited by Sketchy; 7th April 2007 at 14:38.

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