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rickei · 25th February 2007, 16:53

After I saw his response, i unsubscribed to the thread...I just couldn't read anymore posts.

The "design" is it's biggest advantage.

The few "actual bugs" don't even bother me anymore... and I'm still not positive they are bugs.
The beauty of Hex, is there are MANY ways to accomplish the same task, If one way is "buggy" or is not intuitive to you then there is always a different way. that's why the "design" is great.

we'll see what happens

jbshorty · 25th February 2007, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

he heThank God for that!

I'm confused... Which god are you thanking? a recognized "god" or a self-proclaimed one?

...

I've never been a big fan of the Hex UI. Although i do like some of it's modeling tools very much (nobody can touch that edge modeling tool). But it's a personal preference whether a program suits your working style. I would never say that Hex was poorly (or not at all) designed. Now we all wait and see what improvements (if any) will be made to Hex. It's time for DAZ to "put up or shut up"...

shorty

laughingnome · 25th February 2007, 17:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick210

Quote from "BryceGod"

"I actually agree completely that it is badly designed...if designed at all. In fact, I think everyone here feels that way."

Patrick

an odd post by the BryceGod i agree Patrick

even odder he posted that in a public forum, time will tell for the BryceGod aka Brian, lets just hope his talents are as big as his username

ill be sending you a sitemail towards the end of the week bud, please respond to it

regards

stu

Couerl · 25th February 2007, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick210

But, maybe he will bring some of those fantastic Bryce modeling tools into Hexagon.
Patrick

I have the free Bryce 5.5 I think somewhere, although I've never actually looked inside. In fact my p-4 wouldn't even start it up for some reason and I never looked any further into it. I probably would have though if this were not the case.

Anyway, to cut to the chase, is the word "fantastic" meant in the genuine or humorist sense?

Steve

Nate Owens · 25th February 2007, 21:29

In retrospect, maybe encouraging the present owner of Hexagon to sell it would not be a bad thing.... as if that would have any effect...

Couerl · 25th February 2007, 22:05

One thing's clear, whoever can make a cheap, bug-free modeler with all the goodies in it should have a pretty secure future. I wonder when that might be...

laughingnome · 25th February 2007, 23:20

"fantastic" is meant as a humourist comment, Bryce has no real modeling ability other than boolean or terrian generation last time i looked.

stu

ronjurman · 25th February 2007, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick210

Quote from "BryceGod"

"I actually agree completely that it is badly designed...if designed at all. In fact, I think everyone here feels that way."

When I read this from the person who is supposed to "fix" Hexagon, I realized we are dealing with someone who has been completely out of the loop, and probably never used Hexagon until he got the job to fix it. "Everyone" definitely does not feel that way. But, maybe he will bring some of those fantastic Bryce modeling tools into Hexagon. Anyone who has gained an intuitive understanding of how Hexagon really works, knows that it is very well designed, glitches aside. Design is the overall approach, not the implementation of every detail, and Hex is anything but "badly designed". I guess it's wishful thinking, but I would have liked to have seen Hexagon today, if the original team had been allowed to continue their work on it. Probably would have had a patch or 2 last summer and Hex 3 would be almost done. It 's a shame things didn't work out that way, a huge opportunity was missed.

Patrick

Very much agreed.

rj

zaxxon · 26th February 2007, 00:02

While many of us admired the Bryce output when it was first a Mac only kind of creature, the Kai Krouse interface was always an odd duck. The idea of discoverable 'eggs' was fun at first but ultimately annoying, other GUI conventions in Bryce have goe the way of the DOdo bird. I still have Bryce, however seldom use it, the more standard GUI of Vue is much more preferable. If the Brycegod thinks that Hex's interface is poorly designed.well....hmmm. If he's referring to the beta nature of the code, well, there may be a point there. His comments are most interesting, and make one wonder where DAZ goes next. Hex is for the most part a fine program, and is fairly stable in my experience. Look at the pain the public beta testors are going thru with Silo 2. How about ZBrush 2.5 being 2 years late? It's part of the game of many 3D apps. Hex deserves a chance to compete.

laughingnome · 26th February 2007, 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaxxon

While many of us admired the Bryce output when it was first a Mac only kind of creature, the Kai Krouse interface was always an odd duck. The idea of discoverable 'eggs' was fun at first but ultimately annoying, other GUI conventions in Bryce have goe the way of the DOdo bird. I still have Bryce, however seldom use it, the more standard GUI of Vue is much more preferable. If the Brycegod thinks that Hex's interface is poorly designed.well....hmmm. If he's referring to the beta nature of the code, well, there may be a point there. His comments are most interesting, and make one wonder where DAZ goes next. Hex is for the most part a fine program, and is fairly stable in my experience. Look at the pain the public beta testors are going thru with Silo 2. How about ZBrush 2.5 being 2 years late? It's part of the game of many 3D apps. Hex deserves a chance to compete.

as i said already time will tell for the BryceGod

in the meantime i'll continue to use this buggy, flawed and badly designed program.

stu

Couerl · 26th February 2007, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by laughingnome

"fantastic" is meant as a humourist comment, Bryce has no real modeling ability other than boolean or terrian generation last time i looked.

stu

Kinda what I was thinking, but I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth or misinterpret. For all I know Bryce could be Rhino-4 in disguise. Let's face it, there's a lot of misunderstood software floating around I guess.

Whatever the case and the ultimate fate or outcome, I appreciate them trying to keep it going and think a lot can be done with it if they take their time and study it in earnest. Even if they botch the job and screw it all up I won't beat them up for trying and hope no one else will either.
I still maintain that nearly every last bug except the seams and displacement are the direct result of cumulative tool and user errors and can be overcome by using the application correctly and paying attention to your model and also what its telling you.

laughingnome · 26th February 2007, 01:56

like i said before time will tell for the BryceGod the rest is just useless speculation.

stu

bwtr · 26th February 2007, 02:18

I am both pretty old and 0nly a newcomer (less than 5 years) to CG.
My first introduction was to Photoshop 7. It was like leading a duck to water!(I now have PhotoshopCS2 and the 3Beta)

In 3D I was given a Bryce (?3) copy and a bit later Poser(?4) to have a look at. Whilst I have continued to update them, I find them appaling to work with,

Then Carrara2 came free in a magazine disk. It was as if I had a 3D version of Photoshop! I feel the same way through all the versions.

Though free with Carrara I could never even get to first base in using Amapi.

Then, with Hexagon, I thought we were going to get a Photoshop/Carrara level working for a "duck" like me.
I could see the wonderful potentials for Hexagon with version one (and stood up for it strongly) It had though, too many, to me, illogical and , worse-- varying rules of working. I expected version 2 to improve working methods but, for me, it seemed to become worse , and thats excluding the crashing problems. I wonder if it (2) would have come out so soon if the merger was not pending?

I know it's a "hard" type modeller, but MoI seems to be one of those apps which could be in my "designed for ducks" category.

That Daz "gave" Hexagon away at $1.99 will I am sure, created a huge number of people who won't want to touch any type of modeller in the future. Going from Bryce4 say to Hexagon 2.1--the mind boggles!

ps. I remember trying to learn French and Latin in the 1940s. For weeks we were hammered with the rules and for the rest of the year learning how to cope with the "exceptions". I remember "Bon Ami"--but only because it was the name of an Australian household cleanser!

Piem · 26th February 2007, 04:34

Interresting
Funny how things are finally.
Hopefully the world is not YET an unique bunch of clones only able to watch tv and thinks the same way Adobe thinks.

(when I say Adobe, you can put anything else instead ^^)

bwtr · 26th February 2007, 05:23

Nearly everything in life when analysed mathmatically produces a curved line with a hill in the middle. It's a shame ,but the majority of everything just happens to fall in about the same area on the graph. In all probability nearly all of us are about average! Nearly clones?

tonytrout · 26th February 2007, 08:13

I hope the Brycegod is taking a look over here occasionally, I think the remark about the 'badly designed" hexagon is badly considered and will make most user community doubt his credentials.

However Like Michael Douglas in the film Disclosure the secret is to solve the problem and not get tied up with the distractions. I suspect when the first update turns up with the seam and paint issue sorted some of us may feel inclined to pat him on the back.

Pete Exxtreme · 26th February 2007, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

Nearly everything in life when analysed mathmatically produces a curved line with a hill in the middle. It's a shame ,but the majority of everything just happens to fall in about the same area on the graph. In all probability nearly all of us are about average! Nearly clones?

Well said

.. a nice Gauss curve : all our life is condensed in that....

and everything outside of the curve is treated nowdays as mathematical noise : ignored for the least....

Couerl · 26th February 2007, 08:36

I'm sure there's a lot of people watching this thread and the one at Daz with great interest, no question about it.. The badly designed comment could just be attributed to wanting to spark enthusiasm and gain some trust or momentum, a sort of "don't worry I'm on it" statement. I wouldn't make more out of it than what it is.

I used to have a boss I greatly admired, hopefully we all did at some point and he'd always say: Do something, even if its wrong!
The inference being that sitting around and doing nothing is worse than trying and screwing up. I figure the worst thing that could happen is the app gets screwed up and I still have H 2.1, so in my mind this guy can't fail me even if he wanted to.. That said, I think everyone who cares about Hexagon should be on his side and encouraging him to do his best. It can't really hurt anyone and who knows, he may surprise some people including me.

larsen · 26th February 2007, 12:26

It seems to me that the man known as BryceGod is like one of those who looks at women like Monica Bellucci and says "She's not that beauty..."

jbshorty · 26th February 2007, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by larsen

It seems to me that the man known as BryceGod is like one of those who looks at women like Monica Bellucci and says "She's not that beauty..."

...compared to Victoria 4!

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bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	I am both pretty old and 0nly a newcomer (less than 5 years) to CG. My first introduction was to Photoshop 7. It was like leading a duck to water!(I now have PhotoshopCS2 and the 3Beta) In 3D I was given a Bryce (?3) copy and a bit later Poser(?4) to have a look at. Whilst I have continued to update them, I find them appaling to work with, Then Carrara2 came free in a magazine disk. It was as if I had a 3D version of Photoshop! I feel the same way through all the versions. Though free with Carrara I could never even get to first base in using Amapi. Then, with Hexagon, I thought we were going to get a Photoshop/Carrara level working for a "duck" like me. I could see the wonderful potentials for Hexagon with version one (and stood up for it strongly) It had though, too many, to me, illogical and , worse-- varying rules of working. I expected version 2 to improve working methods but, for me, it seemed to become worse , and thats excluding the crashing problems. I wonder if it (2) would have come out so soon if the merger was not pending? I know it's a "hard" type modeller, but MoI seems to be one of those apps which could be in my "designed for ducks" category. That Daz "gave" Hexagon away at $1.99 will I am sure, created a huge number of people who won't want to touch any type of modeller in the future. Going from Bryce4 say to Hexagon 2.1--the mind boggles! ps. I remember trying to learn French and Latin in the 1940s. For weeks we were hammered with the rules and for the rest of the year learning how to cope with the "exceptions". I remember "Bon Ami"--but only because it was the name of an Australian household cleanser! Last edited by bwtr; 26th February 2007 at 02:32.

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25th February 2007, 16:53	#41 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	After I saw his response, i unsubscribed to the thread...I just couldn't read anymore posts. The "design" is it's biggest advantage. The few "actual bugs" don't even bother me anymore... and I'm still not positive they are bugs. The beauty of Hex, is there are MANY ways to accomplish the same task, If one way is "buggy" or is not intuitive to you then there is always a different way. that's why the "design" is great. we'll see what happens

25th February 2007, 22:05	#46 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	One thing's clear, whoever can make a cheap, bug-free modeler with all the goodies in it should have a pretty secure future. I wonder when that might be...

26th February 2007, 00:02	#49 (permalink)
zaxxon NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 117	While many of us admired the Bryce output when it was first a Mac only kind of creature, the Kai Krouse interface was always an odd duck. The idea of discoverable 'eggs' was fun at first but ultimately annoying, other GUI conventions in Bryce have goe the way of the DOdo bird. I still have Bryce, however seldom use it, the more standard GUI of Vue is much more preferable. If the Brycegod thinks that Hex's interface is poorly designed.well....hmmm. If he's referring to the beta nature of the code, well, there may be a point there. His comments are most interesting, and make one wonder where DAZ goes next. Hex is for the most part a fine program, and is fairly stable in my experience. Look at the pain the public beta testors are going thru with Silo 2. How about ZBrush 2.5 being 2 years late? It's part of the game of many 3D apps. Hex deserves a chance to compete.

26th February 2007, 04:34	#54 (permalink)
Piem Booh! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rennes/fr Posts: 6,644	Interresting Funny how things are finally. Hopefully the world is not YET an unique bunch of clones only able to watch tv and thinks the same way Adobe thinks. (when I say Adobe, you can put anything else instead ^^)

26th February 2007, 05:23	#55 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,096	Nearly everything in life when analysed mathmatically produces a curved line with a hill in the middle. It's a shame ,but the majority of everything just happens to fall in about the same area on the graph. In all probability nearly all of us are about average! Nearly clones?

26th February 2007, 08:13	#56 (permalink)
tonytrout Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aotearoa Land of the long white cloud. Posts: 581	I hope the Brycegod is taking a look over here occasionally, I think the remark about the 'badly designed" hexagon is badly considered and will make most user community doubt his credentials. However Like Michael Douglas in the film Disclosure the secret is to solve the problem and not get tied up with the distractions. I suspect when the first update turns up with the seam and paint issue sorted some of us may feel inclined to pat him on the back.

26th February 2007, 08:36	#58 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I'm sure there's a lot of people watching this thread and the one at Daz with great interest, no question about it.. The badly designed comment could just be attributed to wanting to spark enthusiasm and gain some trust or momentum, a sort of "don't worry I'm on it" statement. I wouldn't make more out of it than what it is. I used to have a boss I greatly admired, hopefully we all did at some point and he'd always say: Do something, even if its wrong! The inference being that sitting around and doing nothing is worse than trying and screwing up. I figure the worst thing that could happen is the app gets screwed up and I still have H 2.1, so in my mind this guy can't fail me even if he wanted to.. That said, I think everyone who cares about Hexagon should be on his side and encouraging him to do his best. It can't really hurt anyone and who knows, he may surprise some people including me.

26th February 2007, 12:26	#59 (permalink)
larsen Vertex Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 27	It seems to me that the man known as BryceGod is like one of those who looks at women like Monica Bellucci and says "She's not that beauty..."