Hexagon for Architectural Modeling - Page 2 - Polyloop

markbremmer · 27th January 2007, 01:58

Hi Carrozza,

Magic is no fun once you understand the trick. ;-)

This is still a work in progress...I did all domains and mapping in Carrara in this project. But sometimes, I do it all in Hexagon.

Carrara and Hex both have good UV mapping tools - different but good. In this instance I chose to use Carrara's because of the visual feedback and the kind of texture tools I was using. For sections like the roof on the turrets, I wanted the shingles to each be on their own plane with little distortion. This gave me the ability to control brick and shingle size more accurately.

So, I created a separate shading domain for each flat plane or detail area on the structure. Then, in the case of the roof on the turret, I used Carrara's UV mapping tools to select the type of mapping (planer with no splits in this case) and then adjust the vertexes on the geometry by grabbing them and moving them into the precise locations I wanted.

It's not hard but does take some time... :-P

Mark

carrozza · 27th January 2007, 14:38

Thanks Mark "Copperfield" Bremmer!

I am asking a lot about UV mapping around the forums because I find difficulties in the passage from modelling stage to texturing stage.

It's just so unnatural to wrap a planar image on a 3D model without distortions... uff!

markbremmer · 27th January 2007, 19:41

The time I spend on scene builds usually breaks down to something like this:

Modeling = 25%
Texturing = 60%
Lighting = 15%

Good texturing simply takes time. :-/

laughingnome · 31st January 2007, 01:18

nice to see your site back up Mark, thanks for the link

for me its:
modeling = 20%
texturing= 60%
lighting=20%

im seeing more and more UVmapping questions so maybe its time we had a forum devoted to that subject, ill ask.

UV mapping is key when you start a build,you need to think about seams ,distortion, groups all sorts of things before you even start building a mesh.

stu

rickei · 31st January 2007, 01:36

A section devoted to UV would be sweet.

I think we could also have a few "basic" models in the free section where people can practice on some simple stuff first. Then if/when someone has a UV question we can all refer to the same model. Maybe we could just use your basic head and torso, Stu

After people have learned to UV your basic head, they can play with one of H2's BEST features.... Displacement painting

ronjurman · 1st February 2007, 23:17

Mark,

That house model is lookin good! Enjoy seeing your progress on it.

rj

JoeK · 3rd February 2007, 04:45

For those of you that are looking for a program that you can build houses with, I recommend "3D Home Architect Home Design Deluxe 6". It is for building houses up to 3 stories. Since it is a deluxe edition, it also includes tools for yard design as well.

http://store.purplus.net/3dhoarhodede.html

The good part is that version 6 has 3DS file export - so you can design & export the house, yard items (fences and yard things) and anything else you design. The earlier versions do not have file export.

PURPUS (www.purplus.net) now has the program for $14.95 - I payed $50 for it. Can't loose for that price.

KevinSp · 3rd February 2007, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeK

For those of you that are looking for a program that you can build houses with, I recommend "3D Home Architect Home Design Deluxe 6". It is for building houses up to 3 stories. Since it is a deluxe edition, it also includes tools for yard design as well.

http://store.purplus.net/3dhoarhodede.html

The good part is that version 6 has 3DS file export - so you can design & export the house, yard items (fences and yard things) and anything else you design. The earlier versions do not have file export.

PURPUS (www.purplus.net) now has the program for $14.95 - I payed $50 for it. Can't loose for that price.

Thanks for the link. For some reason I can't order it though. Maybe it's out of stock.

Nate Owens · 4th February 2007, 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by laughingnome

.....im seeing more and more UVmapping questions so maybe its time we had a forum devoted to that subject, ill ask.

.....stu

Excellent idea there, Mr. Gnome

Frenchy Pilou · 4th February 2007, 11:44

...not better than the free Google sketchup

Doug.S · 5th February 2007, 03:51

I recommend Floorplan 3D (now ver. 11) from IMSI
exports perfectly to Carrara (objects and color, not textures)
Renders well on its own
Easy to use, fast
Better than sketchup (free version)

Doug

Couerl · 5th February 2007, 04:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug.S

I recommend Floorplan 3D (now ver. 11) from IMSI
exports perfectly to Carrara (objects and color, not textures)
Renders well on its own
Easy to use, fast
Better than sketchup (free version)

Doug

I have version 10 and I'm okay with it, although I wish Carrara would import dxf natively (VM) and not have to convert a thousand objects to UV map them. Maybe CadStyle will get an update this year or next. Anyway, the price is right, 10-15 bucks on purplus and interiors are a snap with it too. I'm just laying out a basic houseplan now and will do the detail work around it in Hex like balconies and fences and furniture and stuff.
Steven

ronjurman · 9th February 2007, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick210

... I'm probably going to be doing a lot of pre-viz pretty soon myself for a high end landscape architect. They do a lot of hardscape and signage along with landscape for really big projects, very cool stuff. Also, have you seen this co. out of Miami? They do high end architecture pre-viz with animations also, pretty nice. They were on the cover of that Arch pre-viz supplement to 3D World a while back.

http://spine3d.com/

Patrick

Patrick,

I've got that 3D World issue. Bought it mainly for the Arch pre-vis supplement. Wonderful! Spine3D's cover shot really is excellent. Let us know how it goes.

rj

OscarX · 20th February 2007, 23:59

Maybe it would be best if we can list the cheap archi-tools that works well with Carrara - many of them claim 3d output export, but I tried few of them and the result was terrible, millions of polygons, holes were not holes etc...

So you saying Floorplan 3D export fine?

I was working with Sketchup before and it was a joy for architecture - a perfect app for that kind of think IMHO.

Couerl · 21st February 2007, 00:27

I use floorplan10 and it's okay for less than half the price of archi-tools. (what do you want for 15-30 bucks? ;) Importing dxf files to C5-Pro (you need cadstyle only in pro I think) will result in all large triangles, but there is no avoiding it and no option to import as vertex models like hex does. That said, it's not too bad cleaning them up in the VM. What I've found recently is that I like to just make the basic house and doors/windows in floorplan and delete the doors and windows in Carrara and do all that detail work again in hex. Assemble that and you're good to go. I'm still looking forward to a better developed bridge between Cad and Carrara or perhaps Hex/Amapi or some such because I think there would be some great opportunity there for a lot of folks.

Couerl · 21st February 2007, 00:31

Oh, P.S. the free sketchup won't port to Carrara I don't think and I bet the real version would be nice, but its 495.00 or something...

mykyl1966 · 25th February 2007, 17:42

Well now I know I need a tutorial, even a basic one will do. Everything I have exported so far has pieces missing. So Mark any chance of a small intro tutorial to your techniques building a house?

Cheers

Mike R

markbremmer · 26th February 2007, 00:08

I'll see what I can do. My schedule, in theory, slows down a little next week.
Mark

mykyl1966 · 26th February 2007, 00:34

Thank you.
Mike R

A3DLover · 28th February 2007, 04:58

Wow all very cool after reading this thread i had to go try something the line and copy on tools are great for this.
ok show ya as soon as figure out how to upload pics here

27th January 2007, 01:58	#21 (permalink)
markbremmer Escaping to 3D worlds... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 176	Hi Carrozza, Magic is no fun once you understand the trick. ;-) This is still a work in progress...I did all domains and mapping in Carrara in this project. But sometimes, I do it all in Hexagon. Carrara and Hex both have good UV mapping tools - different but good. In this instance I chose to use Carrara's because of the visual feedback and the kind of texture tools I was using. For sections like the roof on the turrets, I wanted the shingles to each be on their own plane with little distortion. This gave me the ability to control brick and shingle size more accurately. So, I created a separate shading domain for each flat plane or detail area on the structure. Then, in the case of the roof on the turret, I used Carrara's UV mapping tools to select the type of mapping (planer with no splits in this case) and then adjust the vertexes on the geometry by grabbing them and moving them into the precise locations I wanted. It's not hard but does take some time... :-P Mark Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mark Bremmer Beginner, intermediate and advanced Carrara tutorials are here.

27th January 2007, 19:41	#23 (permalink)
markbremmer Escaping to 3D worlds... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 176	The time I spend on scene builds usually breaks down to something like this: Modeling = 25% Texturing = 60% Lighting = 15% Good texturing simply takes time. :-/ __________________ Mark Bremmer Beginner, intermediate and advanced Carrara tutorials are here.

31st January 2007, 01:18	#24 (permalink)
laughingnome stu Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 909	nice to see your site back up Mark, thanks for the link for me its: modeling = 20% texturing= 60% lighting=20% im seeing more and more UVmapping questions so maybe its time we had a forum devoted to that subject, ill ask. UV mapping is key when you start a build,you need to think about seams ,distortion, groups all sorts of things before you even start building a mesh. stu __________________ just trying to cut down the pain threshold AMD2.4 dualcore 4 gig ram, 9400GT ,WinXP Home

4th February 2007, 11:44	#30 (permalink)
Frenchy Pilou What do you want me to create? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: nébuleuse :) Posts: 5,562	For modeling houses... ...not better than the free Google sketchup __________________ "Est beau ce qui plaît sans concept" Speedy Galerie

25th February 2007, 17:42	#37 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	Well now I know I need a tutorial, even a basic one will do. Everything I have exported so far has pieces missing. So Mark any chance of a small intro tutorial to your techniques building a house? Cheers Mike R __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

27th January 2007, 14:38	#22 (permalink)
carrozza NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 106	Thanks Mark "Copperfield" Bremmer! I am asking a lot about UV mapping around the forums because I find difficulties in the passage from modelling stage to texturing stage. It's just so unnatural to wrap a planar image on a 3D model without distortions... uff!

31st January 2007, 01:36	#25 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	A section devoted to UV would be sweet. I think we could also have a few "basic" models in the free section where people can practice on some simple stuff first. Then if/when someone has a UV question we can all refer to the same model. Maybe we could just use your basic head and torso, Stu After people have learned to UV your basic head, they can play with one of H2's BEST features.... Displacement painting

1st February 2007, 23:17	#26 (permalink)
ronjurman Box modeling Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 201	Mark, That house model is lookin good! Enjoy seeing your progress on it. rj

3rd February 2007, 04:45	#27 (permalink)
JoeK Vertex Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ruskin, BC, Canada Posts: 28	For those of you that are looking for a program that you can build houses with, I recommend "3D Home Architect Home Design Deluxe 6". It is for building houses up to 3 stories. Since it is a deluxe edition, it also includes tools for yard design as well. http://store.purplus.net/3dhoarhodede.html The good part is that version 6 has 3DS file export - so you can design & export the house, yard items (fences and yard things) and anything else you design. The earlier versions do not have file export. PURPUS (www.purplus.net) now has the program for $14.95 - I payed $50 for it. Can't loose for that price.

5th February 2007, 03:51	#31 (permalink)
Doug.S Vertex Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rochester Hills, Michigan Posts: 22	I recommend Floorplan 3D (now ver. 11) from IMSI exports perfectly to Carrara (objects and color, not textures) Renders well on its own Easy to use, fast Better than sketchup (free version) Doug

20th February 2007, 23:59	#34 (permalink)
OscarX Vertex Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 18	Maybe it would be best if we can list the cheap archi-tools that works well with Carrara - many of them claim 3d output export, but I tried few of them and the result was terrible, millions of polygons, holes were not holes etc... So you saying Floorplan 3D export fine? I was working with Sketchup before and it was a joy for architecture - a perfect app for that kind of think IMHO.

21st February 2007, 00:27	#35 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I use floorplan10 and it's okay for less than half the price of archi-tools. (what do you want for 15-30 bucks? ;) Importing dxf files to C5-Pro (you need cadstyle only in pro I think) will result in all large triangles, but there is no avoiding it and no option to import as vertex models like hex does. That said, it's not too bad cleaning them up in the VM. What I've found recently is that I like to just make the basic house and doors/windows in floorplan and delete the doors and windows in Carrara and do all that detail work again in hex. Assemble that and you're good to go. I'm still looking forward to a better developed bridge between Cad and Carrara or perhaps Hex/Amapi or some such because I think there would be some great opportunity there for a lot of folks.

21st February 2007, 00:31	#36 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Oh, P.S. the free sketchup won't port to Carrara I don't think and I bet the real version would be nice, but its 495.00 or something...

26th February 2007, 00:08	#38 (permalink)
markbremmer Escaping to 3D worlds... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 176	I'll see what I can do. My schedule, in theory, slows down a little next week. Mark __________________ Mark Bremmer Beginner, intermediate and advanced Carrara tutorials are here.

26th February 2007, 00:34	#39 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	Thank you. Mike R __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

28th February 2007, 04:58	#40 (permalink)
A3DLover hobbyist Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 89	Wow all very cool after reading this thread i had to go try something the line and copy on tools are great for this. ok show ya as soon as figure out how to upload pics here Attached Thumbnails

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