Daz truth for Eoviaites - Page 2 - Polyloop

jbshorty · 18th October 2006, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Z

Daz better have a Demo of Hexagon 3
because by seeing people complaining previously about bugs
i dought they would buy it unless they tryed it first.

you'd be surprised. as they say, there's a sucker born every minute...

Nate Owens · 18th October 2006, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Z

...i dought they would buy it unless they tryed it first...

In a world run by bean-counters, the bottom line is what promotes sales and buy-outs. Eovia probably had good books and sold for cheap. The bean-counters don't care whether it works or not... it's the "sucker" factor that makes the financial world go round.

As far as bugs go... well I keep doing what I can do with them both, which for the price category seems to be quite a bit compared to other software.
I really think that Hexagon was a home run hit, but the team left the field and quit the game with the runner on third. It is #@#% disgusting what happened to that application - a good horsewhipping comes to mind

.

Patrick210 · 18th October 2006, 20:40

It seems like everyone is throwing in the towel on Hexagon. Go to the DAZ Bugtracker and look at Hexagon 2. There are about 12 pages of bugs, feature requests, and suggestions. Some are user error, a lot are real bugs, some are other things. The total is about 360, and 110 are are now listed as resolved. I know it's not as fast as the original team, but it seems like they are making progress. The last chat stated that there would be a patch for Hex 2 and in the past, patches have always been free. I wouldn't give up just yet.

steama · 18th October 2006, 21:47

No reason to give-up on Hex. It has great potential. Some people are just unsatisfied with the current version and the fact so much does not work as promoted. I think that if DAZ ever gets it up to speed Hex will be hard to beat.

E-Z · 18th October 2006, 21:53

the time it takes Daz to fixes there bugs
they could of all ready made hex 3.

i hope hex 3 upgrade doesn't cost more then what i payed from the full version hex 2
$ dollar ninety nine.

maybe the hex 3 upgrade will cost around 40 cents

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate Owens

I really think that Hexagon was a home run hit, but the team left the field and quit the game with the runner on third. It is #@#% disgusting what happened to that application - a good horsewhipping comes to mind

.

i agree 100% percent.

jbshorty · 18th October 2006, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-Z

...maybe the hex 3 upgrade will cost around 40 cents

...

DAZ will have to recoop their investment on the new Hex team. I predict a sell price between $175-$250 with upgrade of $100. That's fair market price based on the competition (and still cheaper than Eovia's price). But if you really don't think Hex is worth more than $.40 then feel free to buy Modo for $895. And you'll realize it has its fair share of bugs too...

Couerl · 20th October 2006, 08:26

I think more and more new users are loving Hex and intermediate users are learning more how to avoid traps and errors and stuff. Seeing the UV unwrap tuts and simple cups and dresses or whatever tells me there's still a lot of enthusiasm for Hex2. Funny, there's more posts on Hex at Daz than Carrara and the opposite is true here. It's just a slight margin ether way, but I do find it interesting. I think a lot of the complaining still stems from really not knowing how to model well and there's just no great book out there for Hex2 saying; Do this, this and this and here's why and there's your awesome model, boom Done... It takes lots of patience and experimenting and a ton of practice and the more you do it the better you get, just like anything else.
My only problem to this day is related to seams and I hope Carrara can fill the 3D paint role if it doesn't get worked out in H2. I give Daz a break and rather than beat them up, encourage them to keep at it. Maybe they're not as fast as the French team, but those guys made the thing and knew it inside out from the beginning. I think they want to see Hexagon suceed even though they're on a new team now. After all, they made it and care for it even more then we do probably.

I hope there is an H3. I want to do one of those Elven helmets or something like that on CGSociety some day too, yaknow?

Nate Owens · 20th October 2006, 20:49

Courel...

I think you are definitely right.
Hex is almost there, and that is saying a lot for such a new application - particularly in light of the dumping on/of the application by Eovia.

mon_stdnt · 21st October 2006, 16:51

I do hope that DAz doesn't drop the ball on this one.

They have two great programs IMO, and if the "upcoming" patch of Hex2 is free, then I'm all for that.

I wouldn't like (I don't think anyone would) to pay for every patch that comes out, that will definitely hurt my pocket.

As for Carrara, all I'm looking for is a good, well thought out Hair and cloth simulation intergrate in the program, cause whats the point of buying the plugins if eventually your going to upgrade the plugin with the new C6.

If it doesn't happen then Lightwave 9 if looking pretty good for me.

medeamajic · 22nd October 2006, 23:57

mon_stdnt,

Hair and cloth are the two big ones that need to be added but I can think of a few others. I would like to see a few more Hexagon tools (symmetrical modleing) in Carrara 6 as well as 3-D paint. A better sky editor would be great along with a liquid editor but it might be to hard to implement a liquid editor.

manleystanley,

I can see you are getting frustrated with DAZ. I know integration with Daz products was not even on my radar let alone being high on my list. You will just have to wait and see what Daz does. Carrara 6 could be a flop like Bryce 5.5 and Bryce 6. Brcye still does not have a decent modeler or bones and skeletons. Daz has owned Bryce for well over two years. Hair, cloth, better animation previews and a few more Hexagon tools will make Carrara 6 a decent upgrade. If we only get Daz Studio and Bryce interegration for Carrara 6 it will infact be a joke of an upgrade. I think it may happen. It seems Daz cares about the Dazzers needs more than the true Eovians like us. I can not believe there is not a website for Carrara only. I hate to look at the Daz doll house like the rest of you. Daz can sell content but just don't bait us Evoians to play house for upgrades. I know it will happen. I think the Daz buy out sucks.

mon_stdnt · 23rd October 2006, 00:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by medeamajic

I can not believe there is not a website for Carrara only...

God I miss Eovia.com

E-Z · 24th October 2006, 03:29

alot of companys are not like they used to be.

its all about money,
they dont care what you think or what you say
they will throw you out in the cold then give you a glass of ice water over making a dollar.

thats why alot of people boycott apps.

Grendel · 24th October 2006, 21:33

I agree with Couerl on this one, I look at the DAZ boards once and awhile and it's seems as they become more familiar with it their is less griping. Learning to model well is a large undertaking(I pick stuff up all the time) that I think some may have underestimated.

I think variety is also crucial, a person has to try things that are outside the scope of comfort to get better. Accomplishing the following: Car, realistic head/body, detailed mechanical object, cartoon character, architectural work, model with box method, with edge method, with spline method, would make a person much better. The skills and techniques for these things are very different and greatly increase the knowledge of the toolset.

As for Carrara 6 I hope it is a good upgrade and I personally do not need any poser/daz integration but I think unfortunately the majority will rule. And they really do need to move Carrara to it's own site with some style.

manleystanley · 25th October 2006, 01:57

Oh, yes, I agree. I think Carrara needs a seperate forum from Daz. I'm sure there are those that will agree that the Daz forum is a fashion show. I read it more for entertainment, and post mostly to complain; I mean I am a rable rouser.

I will also agree that the more femiliar I get with Hex the fewer problems I'm having; although the 2.1 patch fixed quite a few problems I was having. I'm sure Daz will come out with another patch for H2, but I dought if there will be any C5 fixes till C6.

I just hope Daz dosen't do an e-frontier and wip versions of Carrara out as new versions that are no more then fixes to the previos version.

I just hope it dosen't turn into one of those "new and improved" lable on the box things.

steama · 25th October 2006, 05:42

Whatever helps DAZ sell more content and Paltinum Club memberships is what you are going to get in Carrara 6. Sorry but that is whole the story.

DAZ exists to pimp content not necessarily to develop great software.

But it is all good. This is exactly what some people want. People should do what they want and enjoy it regardless of how great the tools are or not. It is all an inside job as to what an individual is trying to accomplish. If you are looking for top quality tools they are available too...elsewhere.

Stan

20th October 2006, 20:49	#28 (permalink)
Nate Owens Doodlin' Dude Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina, USA Posts: 1,013	Courel... I think you are definitely right. Hex is almost there, and that is saying a lot for such a new application - particularly in light of the dumping on/of the application by Eovia. __________________ Shirts, MousePads, Stuff / The Gallery / Videos / Blog

21st October 2006, 16:51	#29 (permalink)
mon_stdnt Always learning Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 447	I do hope that DAz doesn't drop the ball on this one. They have two great programs IMO, and if the "upcoming" patch of Hex2 is free, then I'm all for that. I wouldn't like (I don't think anyone would) to pay for every patch that comes out, that will definitely hurt my pocket. As for Carrara, all I'm looking for is a good, well thought out Hair and cloth simulation intergrate in the program, cause whats the point of buying the plugins if eventually your going to upgrade the plugin with the new C6. If it doesn't happen then Lightwave 9 if looking pretty good for me. __________________ www.rgamarra.com

25th October 2006, 01:57	#34 (permalink)
manleystanley Box modeling Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Oh, yes, I agree. I think Carrara needs a seperate forum from Daz. I'm sure there are those that will agree that the Daz forum is a fashion show. I read it more for entertainment, and post mostly to complain; I mean I am a rable rouser. I will also agree that the more femiliar I get with Hex the fewer problems I'm having; although the 2.1 patch fixed quite a few problems I was having. I'm sure Daz will come out with another patch for H2, but I dought if there will be any C5 fixes till C6. I just hope Daz dosen't do an e-frontier and wip versions of Carrara out as new versions that are no more then fixes to the previos version. I just hope it dosen't turn into one of those "new and improved" lable on the box things. __________________ What forest? All I see are trees.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

18th October 2006, 20:40	#23 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	It seems like everyone is throwing in the towel on Hexagon. Go to the DAZ Bugtracker and look at Hexagon 2. There are about 12 pages of bugs, feature requests, and suggestions. Some are user error, a lot are real bugs, some are other things. The total is about 360, and 110 are are now listed as resolved. I know it's not as fast as the original team, but it seems like they are making progress. The last chat stated that there would be a patch for Hex 2 and in the past, patches have always been free. I wouldn't give up just yet.

18th October 2006, 21:47	#24 (permalink)
steama Boulet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 452	No reason to give-up on Hex. It has great potential. Some people are just unsatisfied with the current version and the fact so much does not work as promoted. I think that if DAZ ever gets it up to speed Hex will be hard to beat.

20th October 2006, 08:26	#27 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I think more and more new users are loving Hex and intermediate users are learning more how to avoid traps and errors and stuff. Seeing the UV unwrap tuts and simple cups and dresses or whatever tells me there's still a lot of enthusiasm for Hex2. Funny, there's more posts on Hex at Daz than Carrara and the opposite is true here. It's just a slight margin ether way, but I do find it interesting. I think a lot of the complaining still stems from really not knowing how to model well and there's just no great book out there for Hex2 saying; Do this, this and this and here's why and there's your awesome model, boom Done... It takes lots of patience and experimenting and a ton of practice and the more you do it the better you get, just like anything else. My only problem to this day is related to seams and I hope Carrara can fill the 3D paint role if it doesn't get worked out in H2. I give Daz a break and rather than beat them up, encourage them to keep at it. Maybe they're not as fast as the French team, but those guys made the thing and knew it inside out from the beginning. I think they want to see Hexagon suceed even though they're on a new team now. After all, they made it and care for it even more then we do probably. I hope there is an H3. I want to do one of those Elven helmets or something like that on CGSociety some day too, yaknow?

22nd October 2006, 23:57	#30 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	mon_stdnt, Hair and cloth are the two big ones that need to be added but I can think of a few others. I would like to see a few more Hexagon tools (symmetrical modleing) in Carrara 6 as well as 3-D paint. A better sky editor would be great along with a liquid editor but it might be to hard to implement a liquid editor. manleystanley, I can see you are getting frustrated with DAZ. I know integration with Daz products was not even on my radar let alone being high on my list. You will just have to wait and see what Daz does. Carrara 6 could be a flop like Bryce 5.5 and Bryce 6. Brcye still does not have a decent modeler or bones and skeletons. Daz has owned Bryce for well over two years. Hair, cloth, better animation previews and a few more Hexagon tools will make Carrara 6 a decent upgrade. If we only get Daz Studio and Bryce interegration for Carrara 6 it will infact be a joke of an upgrade. I think it may happen. It seems Daz cares about the Dazzers needs more than the true Eovians like us. I can not believe there is not a website for Carrara only. I hate to look at the Daz doll house like the rest of you. Daz can sell content but just don't bait us Evoians to play house for upgrades. I know it will happen. I think the Daz buy out sucks.

24th October 2006, 03:29	#32 (permalink)
E-Z Edge modeling Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 379	alot of companys are not like they used to be. its all about money, they dont care what you think or what you say they will throw you out in the cold then give you a glass of ice water over making a dollar. thats why alot of people boycott apps.

24th October 2006, 21:33	#33 (permalink)
Grendel Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,264	I agree with Couerl on this one, I look at the DAZ boards once and awhile and it's seems as they become more familiar with it their is less griping. Learning to model well is a large undertaking(I pick stuff up all the time) that I think some may have underestimated. I think variety is also crucial, a person has to try things that are outside the scope of comfort to get better. Accomplishing the following: Car, realistic head/body, detailed mechanical object, cartoon character, architectural work, model with box method, with edge method, with spline method, would make a person much better. The skills and techniques for these things are very different and greatly increase the knowledge of the toolset. As for Carrara 6 I hope it is a good upgrade and I personally do not need any poser/daz integration but I think unfortunately the majority will rule. And they really do need to move Carrara to it's own site with some style.

25th October 2006, 05:42	#35 (permalink)
steama Boulet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 452	Whatever helps DAZ sell more content and Paltinum Club memberships is what you are going to get in Carrara 6. Sorry but that is whole the story. DAZ exists to pimp content not necessarily to develop great software. But it is all good. This is exactly what some people want. People should do what they want and enjoy it regardless of how great the tools are or not. It is all an inside job as to what an individual is trying to accomplish. If you are looking for top quality tools they are available too...elsewhere. Stan