Have you switched render software? - Page 3 - Polyloop

Nichod · 24th September 2006, 14:26

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Nice, brief, but informative review, Nichod. That's the kind of description I'd like to have in a rendering engine: speed, soft and high quality. Speed is of particular importance to me. I can't possibly work with one that keeps you waiting for hours just for test renders. IMHO, they're supposed to be fast especially when doing still images.
As to the animation part, it seems capable of doing fairly complex jobs comparable to highend ones. It certainly is a good choice if you already have enough modeling tools in your arsenal. It keeps the UI from unnecessary clutter and complexity.

Thanks. I hope it helps others if they are investigating Messiah.

Odessey · 28th September 2006, 05:22

Couldn't be happier with C-4D 9.6 studio bundle all the bells and whistles , not as hard of a learning curve that i thought there would be i love the way you can lay texture in this app nice clean renders , but that doesn't mean i will stop using Carrara .

Grendel · 28th September 2006, 14:53

I use Cinema4d as well but have stopped upgrading due to the cost of the bundle. I really think Advanced Render should be inlcuded at no cost.

LoneGunman · 28th September 2006, 20:29

Cinema4D is a wonderful software, I have a freebie version from the magazine.

I wish I could afford full aplication (with advanced renderer, cloth sim and hair). If they ever decide to sell ALL of it for less then $1000, I'll be the first one to buy it

Nichod · 29th September 2006, 19:31

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I use Cinema4d as well but have stopped upgrading due to the cost of the bundle. I really think Advanced Render should be inlcuded at no cost.

That and MOCCA.

rtfrog · 29th September 2006, 21:09

I have been using Vue to Render my models after I have made them in Amapi.

Patrick210 · 30th September 2006, 17:16

I'm not sure why it makes much difference with Carrara since the same developers are still working on it. Carrara 5 Pro, with all the plugins, is very capable as it is, especially for stills. I think it's premature to give up on Carrara, at least until the next version is available for testing. Hexagon is another story, I just wish they could have fixed the seam issue by now, that's really my only problem with it.

Couerl · 1st October 2006, 01:34

I think even if it turns out to be a complete Dazaster, I'll stick with C5/6... You'll see me on the twisted burning hulk of the bridge with my right arm blown off calmly smoking a Cubana while my polys sink gently beneath the waves.
I think Carrara has a few more versions before it needs a complete rewrite and I've been very pleased with its progress since C2/3.

Hex2-3 is another matter and we'll be lucky to see it hit dry-dock for repairs by next year and that's a damn shame because it is so forward looking. If I were boss for the day, I'd send Charles off to MIT in a shiny new BMW with a briefcase full of recruiting dough and throw whatever other dead weight I could find overboard. Ultimately it's the software which speaks for your company and not a bunch of bubble gum chewers. Anyway, I'll focus on modeling and rendering is secondary to me anyway. I may just go to Rhino4 or Amapi-Pro8... We'll see how that all goes by next year maybe. I like what both of the former Eovia Dev teams have accomplished, US/French, bugs and all and I admire their dedication, work ethic and skill and will always look to support them as long as they are around.

Sketchy · 1st October 2006, 21:59

When some people are not happy with their current renderers, I take it to mean it's not realistic enough. (I'm referrring to still images.) Personally, I'm really not much into too much realism, even in areas like industrial/mechanical visualisation or Architecture (which, I think, SketchUp-style rendering is enough). That's the kind of client I'd prefer, anyway. Take it or leave it. It's my art, not yours.

So, Carrara 5's renderer is enough for me. I'd assume it will even get better in the next version. I started with C5 and I'm happy with its renderer's speed almost as fast as my other app, Blender's internal. My kind of workflow requires a lot of render testing, without even completing each render output. Then another test, then another, then another... I definitely would not want one that takes hours for a simple scene like the new renderers they advertise these days. Even if it produces the kind of realism you want.

Piem · 1st October 2006, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Sketchy

My kind of workflow requires a lot of render testing, without even completing each render output. Then another test, then another, then another... I definitely would not want one that takes hours for a simple scene like the new renderers they advertise these days. Naaa.

Well said (hoppefully, Maxwell Render (mr sand-man) is not the only one

in my toy's garden..

Carrara is even the opposite. Time is so precious.

Nichod · 4th October 2006, 15:05

Just want to point out to all who might have motionbuilder. If you want messiah you can buy it for a wonderful $219.

Nichod · 4th October 2006, 15:06

What did the 10 other go too?

-ash- · 4th October 2006, 22:03

Have you noticed that, according to the main page, polyloop has 5,849 members. Yet only 37 people have voted. Even if not all of the members that registered are still visiting that is still a very small number!

Where is everyone?

Piem · 4th October 2006, 22:12

you might ask Thomas to mail the poll
?

Pete Exxtreme · 4th October 2006, 22:16

I already made some polls months ago and i was badly surprized on the ratio between the number of visitors of the thread and the number of people who did vote...

Couerl · 4th October 2006, 22:17

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Originally Posted by -ash-

Where is everyone?

Still trying to figure out how to print the movies from the pdf's into a book.

-ash- · 4th October 2006, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Couerl

Still trying to figure out how to print the movies from the pdf's into a book.

One frame at a time

Pete Exxtreme · 4th October 2006, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Couerl

Still trying to figure out how to print the movies from the pdf's into a book.

Yes and that's a tough job : that's the undeniable proof that this soft is bugged to death

2Mylent · 6th October 2006, 12:51

Pack:

Hexagon 2.1 (mod)
Poser 6 SR3 animation personnages (animation characters)
Vue 5 Infinite (rendu/animation)
En attente de (On standby of ) Vue 6 Infinite

Locki · 6th October 2006, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Nichod

What did the 10 other go too?

hesitating a lot : I can't make my mind between
- lightwave (an all in one studio ... but I'm a bit frightened by the future evolutions ... well ... hum ... let's rather say : lack of evolution). expensive
- C4D (the basic studio is expensive but affordable ... but everything is a module option, so if you want hair, mocca, toon rendering ... it becomes a very expensive solution)
- shade : cheap in the standard version ... but very hard to get into. I'd like to wait a bit before making my mind about it.
- Modo : this one is a very promising challenger to LW and C4D, just hoping animation will be integrated into it. I'd like to go for it but it's as expensive as LW and C4D.

The others are clearly not for me (3DS, XSI, Maya ...) because I'm just a hobbyist.
So I guess I'll still be sticked for a while to Carrara before changing

View Poll Results: Which package have you started using after Carrara?
Lightwave	4	3.92%
3ds Max	1	0.98%
Cinema 4d	5	4.90%
XSI	13	12.75%
Project messiah	2	1.96%
Maya	1	0.98%
Other	21	20.59%
I am staying with Carrara / Je reste avec Carrara	55	53.92%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

28th September 2006, 20:29	#44 (permalink)
LoneGunman SILO abuser Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Louisville, KY USA Posts: 556	Agreed Cinema4D is a wonderful software, I have a freebie version from the magazine. I wish I could afford full aplication (with advanced renderer, cloth sim and hair). If they ever decide to sell ALL of it for less then $1000, I'll be the first one to buy it __________________ My missions are not impossible, I just make them look that way

29th September 2006, 21:09	#46 (permalink)
rtfrog NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London UK Posts: 120	I have been using Vue to Render my models after I have made them in Amapi. __________________ "You'll get there in the End."

4th October 2006, 15:05	#51 (permalink)
Nichod Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 612	Just want to point out to all who might have motionbuilder. If you want messiah you can buy it for a wonderful $219. __________________ Email Me. Visit my blog! Get hundreds of shader presets! Get Art of Shaders! And a preview for Art of Skin is now available. AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 (2.2GHz/1MB L2 Cache) 1280 MB DDR 333mHz RAM 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM) 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800) I use.

4th October 2006, 15:06	#52 (permalink)
Nichod Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 612	What did the 10 other go too? __________________ Email Me. Visit my blog! Get hundreds of shader presets! Get Art of Shaders! And a preview for Art of Skin is now available. AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 (2.2GHz/1MB L2 Cache) 1280 MB DDR 333mHz RAM 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM) 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800) I use.

28th September 2006, 05:22	#42 (permalink)
Odessey Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 161	Couldn't be happier with C-4D 9.6 studio bundle all the bells and whistles , not as hard of a learning curve that i thought there would be i love the way you can lay texture in this app nice clean renders , but that doesn't mean i will stop using Carrara .

28th September 2006, 14:53	#43 (permalink)
Grendel Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,264	I use Cinema4d as well but have stopped upgrading due to the cost of the bundle. I really think Advanced Render should be inlcuded at no cost.

30th September 2006, 17:16	#47 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	I'm not sure why it makes much difference with Carrara since the same developers are still working on it. Carrara 5 Pro, with all the plugins, is very capable as it is, especially for stills. I think it's premature to give up on Carrara, at least until the next version is available for testing. Hexagon is another story, I just wish they could have fixed the seam issue by now, that's really my only problem with it.

1st October 2006, 01:34	#48 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I think even if it turns out to be a complete Dazaster, I'll stick with C5/6... You'll see me on the twisted burning hulk of the bridge with my right arm blown off calmly smoking a Cubana while my polys sink gently beneath the waves. I think Carrara has a few more versions before it needs a complete rewrite and I've been very pleased with its progress since C2/3. Hex2-3 is another matter and we'll be lucky to see it hit dry-dock for repairs by next year and that's a damn shame because it is so forward looking. If I were boss for the day, I'd send Charles off to MIT in a shiny new BMW with a briefcase full of recruiting dough and throw whatever other dead weight I could find overboard. Ultimately it's the software which speaks for your company and not a bunch of bubble gum chewers. Anyway, I'll focus on modeling and rendering is secondary to me anyway. I may just go to Rhino4 or Amapi-Pro8... We'll see how that all goes by next year maybe. I like what both of the former Eovia Dev teams have accomplished, US/French, bugs and all and I admire their dedication, work ethic and skill and will always look to support them as long as they are around.

1st October 2006, 21:59	#49 (permalink)
Sketchy Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 317	When some people are not happy with their current renderers, I take it to mean it's not realistic enough. (I'm referrring to still images.) Personally, I'm really not much into too much realism, even in areas like industrial/mechanical visualisation or Architecture (which, I think, SketchUp-style rendering is enough). That's the kind of client I'd prefer, anyway. Take it or leave it. It's my art, not yours. So, Carrara 5's renderer is enough for me. I'd assume it will even get better in the next version. I started with C5 and I'm happy with its renderer's speed almost as fast as my other app, Blender's internal. My kind of workflow requires a lot of render testing, without even completing each render output. Then another test, then another, then another... I definitely would not want one that takes hours for a simple scene like the new renderers they advertise these days. Even if it produces the kind of realism you want.

4th October 2006, 22:03	#53 (permalink)
-ash- I'm Batman (in 3D) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Over the road, round the corner, out of the noise. (Scotland) Posts: 770	Not many people voting! Have you noticed that, according to the main page, polyloop has 5,849 members. Yet only 37 people have voted. Even if not all of the members that registered are still visiting that is still a very small number! Where is everyone? __________________ Regards Tony (aka HamSoles)

4th October 2006, 22:12	#54 (permalink)
Piem Booh! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rennes/fr Posts: 6,643	you might ask Thomas to mail the poll ? __________________ - Sheik Yerbouti - Let love the Noise technimesh.com

4th October 2006, 22:16	#55 (permalink)
Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,635	I already made some polls months ago and i was badly surprized on the ratio between the number of visitors of the thread and the number of people who did vote... __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

6th October 2006, 12:51	#59 (permalink)
2Mylent Commandeur et Quad Moqu Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: La Ciotat en région Parisienne ;o( Posts: 4,805	Pack: Hexagon 2.1 (mod) Poser 6 SR3 animation personnages (animation characters) Vue 5 Infinite (rendu/animation) En attente de (On standby of ) Vue 6 Infinite __________________ 2Mylent, alors il faut que je m'occupe l'esprit Core2 3,2Ghz 4Go 8800 GTS 640Mo 222" LCD//Hexagon 2.5//Poser 7//Vue6 Infinite//Photoshop Elements 7//Premiere Elements 7//DivX Pro 6//UVMappeur Pro//Unfold3D Magic Fairy Edition*