English participation lost.

[Pete Exxtreme]

There is participation when people have something to say.
If people just post finished images, well that's great to see artwork, but you have no communication in fact as the forum is used more as a gallery than a forum.
Doing WIP - or experiences in the Sandbox - create useful actiivity. This is where people have a chance to exchange. I think the mindset in this revamped forum is better now; at least on the french side and i've even re-started my sandbox i've previously dumped and had good advices to make some progress

BTW english speaking people are always welcome on the french side even posting in english The answers could be harder to have sometimes but you can give it a try....

[laughingnome]

Originally Posted by Nate Owens

Is there going to be a poll on this?
Seems that this is a private forum and can be directed and managed any way that suits the owner (as it should be).

I feel that there is bad blood and bad feelings against DAZ and some other software due to the history and treatment of certain people by companies controling the products. That is quite understandable, but unfortunate that it would affect the forum.

Perhaps in the beginning there may have been a sense of sponsorship of some software, but I don't think anyone ever considered that seriously.

Easy to say, hard to do, but it would be better for the users if the forum were unbiased (is it really) and did not have that cloud hanging over it.

Are the stats for Carrara users and Hexagon users really that much different than they were before - is it possible that the change was initiated by the issues that perhaps caused users to move away.

For myself, I had found this forum to be a better place for good tutorials and great talent using various software.

As for the French side... I just wish I could read and write French - I would be over there pestering them and soaking in the talent and info on that side too... I have no bias, only my ignorance is creating a barrier.

Of course... none of this is my business... maybe some of Stu's pain medicine would help.

i will address this , theres no bad blood or ill feelings towards DAZ3D or E Frontier or any other software developer here, i think you may be confusing anti poser "ART" and premade content related posts with ill feelings Nate, be assured there are none.
Do we want the gallerys and forums filled with one click wonders using premade poser textures ,models, lights and scenes, NO is the answer,thats unanimous across the staff here btw.
can you post poser renders here? of course you can as long as you made the models or the main models used in the images and created the light sets /textures etc.
naked vicky in a temple with a sword pics will be deleted immediatly.

stu

[Couerl]

I agree with Stu, something else to take into account is the fact that as we all learn more there's just less questions to ask about the softwares themselves. I already asked a bunch of questions in the last 4 or 5 years and don't have many left. I know my strengths and my weaknesses and it's just about working on those now.

if anything, I need a modo forum at the moment.

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by laughingnome

maybe we should remove those then??


stu

Of course you should. There should only be 3 sections, 2-D, 3-D and a misc forum.

[medeamajic]

I think Thomas has done a great job thus far. I think once the site gets down to 3 sections participation will seem better and I think as a result the site will get more popular in time. As far as Hexagon and Carrara many user have given up and moved on. The Carrara 6 upgrade was a flop.

[bwtr]

And some, even though NOT Poser influenced, think Carrara6 is equal to the update of Carrara5 from Carrara4!

Some apps are trying to find out how some of the Carrara workings in C6 can be imported into thier apps!

[Wesgraphics]

Originally Posted by laughingnome

i
naked vicky in a temple with a sword pics will be deleted immediatly.

stu

[laughingnome]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

Of course you should. There should only be 3 sections, 2-D, 3-D and a misc forum.

that was a joke bud, lighten up

stu

[Nate Owens]

Maybe just one misc. forum... why even give it a name... with the amount of traffic at that point, it should be way more than enough.

It has been long understood that no nekkid vickies or any click-and-drag instant "models" were permissable. That did not change. What did change was the sudden removal of Hexagon and Carrara (with a 'lock' even) - some may surmise these were antagonistic.

I will keep attending PolyLoop hoping to find and perhaps offer whatever I can of interest... until I'm asked not to.

Some of the forum intentions are sort of vague to me, but I'm sure that I will be corrected if I go astray. For instance, I have been putting Painter drawings in the 2d/Painter techniques section... seems appropriate to me. (I see no activity or any content showing under the heading "gallery" - which apparently is a black hole where things just fade into oblivion?)

I learn things just seeing what someone does without having any specific dialog about the art... confident that if I do have a question, the author would be forthcoming and helpful as is always the case at PolyLoop.

I have current questions about both Hexagon (although I've used it for some time) and Carrara 6Pro, which I've just recently gotten into. I seriously doubt anyone ever knows all there is to know about the programs (I never would), except those who made them (if they are willing to discuss questions). Perhaps those who built the apps are no longer connected with the company - or perhaps their situation prevents discussing them - otherwise, the fact that people like and continue to use the apps would be a testimony of their appreciation and admiration for a job well done.

Enuff jabbering, I will just wait and watch.

[laughingnome]

(I see no activity or any content showing under the heading "gallery" - which apparently is a black hole where things just fade into oblivion?)

the gallery heading takes you to the members galleries section Nate, here you can veiw members personal gallerys including yours.
your stats are quite healthy, i dont understand the problem here???

stu

[laughingnome]

It has been long understood that no nekkid vickies or any click-and-drag instant "models" were permissable. That did not change. What did change was the sudden removal of Hexagon and Carrara (with a 'lock' even) - some may surmise these were antagonistic.

to answer this , some may indeed surmise that, they'd be wrong.
the forums were locked so they could be archieved, nothing more.
and i agree one misc forum is enough.
stu

[bwtr]

What have you been doing all this time Nate? All those wow members images--going way back--showing the great skills of so many of the members.
For me, the gallery opens up with a lot of images at the start, then, if you search, you can get each members own folder of works.

You mean you havent seen mine? I will be down in the dumps all day.

[medeamajic]

It just dawned on me why the Carrara participation was so popular and then faded away. At one time Thomas worked for Eovia as part of the Hexagon team. He was very skilled and provided a lot of info for all of us. If Thomas had went to work for Daz I think the Carrara and Hexagon participation would still be very popular instead of declining even though Daz sucks.

It also just dawned on me that Thomas may not work for E-Frontier anymore since the Poser buy out.

Thomas, how are things going for you these days?

[Thomas]

My last dayjob at e frontier was July 31st.. a long time before the Poser buyout. As you have summary, yes, my participation is less important that before about Carrara and Hexagon.
For the first, because I don't like at all the direction made by DAZ about Carrara, and second, I never accepted the price of 1.99 for Hex.
Anyway, now, I prefer supporting the technics relative to all the software (then, also Carrara and Hex), but I won't do more than expected for these two softwares. I prefer helping more about other tools like Modo, Zbrush, Silo, etc but as I just said, more about the technics themselves. As Hugo said in another thread, the technic is most of the time the same in all the software. Focusing on the technique will help everybody, focusing on one software will help just a little group.

On my side, the things are going good, but nothing that I can explain here, then, don't ask me

[Dann-O]

Thomas it is good to hear that you are out and about. I was not hanging out as much because of the big move from China back to the USA then I moved from Wisconsin to Pennsylvania to boot. I will be doing a bit more here in the future. Everyone has their reasons.

[Nate Owens]

Apparently the "galleries" are different than the "My Photos" deal under the avatar at the left... I know "My Photos" are hosted images... so do people post the same images in both "galleries" and "My Photos?" - - seem redundant, but I'm sure there is a difference.

It's unfortunate that the index for the galleries shows no content and no activity... could make someone think it is under construction or just nothing going on.

Originally Posted by bwtr

What have you been doing all this time Nate? All those wow members images--going way back--showing the great skills of so many of the members.
For me, the gallery opens up with a lot of images at the start, then, if you search, you can get each members own folder of works.

You mean you havent seen mine? I will be down in the dumps all day.

There you go mate.
You are very prolific... apparently you have been doing something while I have been playing a digery-doo and pettin' me wallaby.

I like your 'roos.

Take a few photos while you're in those dumps. (Say... does your boomerang come back?) - - g'day

[bwtr]

Thanks Nate, but my stuff is nothing like your great free type of cartoon like drawing ability. I love to draw and paint ,and have for a lifetime, ahhh well still things to aim for on the learning curve!

[Nate Owens]

As you can see, I put stuff in the Gallery back in '06.

[bwtr]

I know. But why did I get so few stars?
If I was not envious of your work I would start complaing about backhanders to the judges!

[medeamajic]

Thomas,

I agree about the $1.99 Hexagon price at Daz. The Dazzers bragged about how sales and user base of Daz doubled. Eovia could have doubled sales selling Hexagon and Carrara for $1.99 but how could they pay the programmers? I think Daz is finding out the hardway that they bit of more than they can chew.