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Old 24th May 2006, 18:49   #21 (permalink)
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not a problem, I improve my english speaking I will do an english exam on the 15th of June ;)

But in Carrara, you have no UV tool at all. Just predefined UVs, with no parameters, and after, you just can manually move the points of your UV map.

Move a gizmos don't move, modify, (or anything else) your mesh. It just creates UVs. Instead of the bounding box, who don't do anything on UVs, but just moves the object in the scene.

But indeed, if you still don't understand, I think you have to do another thing for a moment, and when you will be more skilled on 3D, and a little bit more familiar with UVs, I think you will understand later
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Old 25th May 2006, 06:19   #22 (permalink)
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Thanks for that. At my age you tend to get to a point where the brain is saturated and just can not absorb--or think through-to a logical conclusion.

Good luck with the exam, you should pass with flying colours.

Very envious of people who can use more than one language. My grand children have been learning Italian, Japanese --since first years at school ( and are now at University) With 74 years of experience with English I still find it frustrating!
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Old 25th May 2006, 11:51   #23 (permalink)
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Good luck with the exam, you should pass with flying colours.
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Very envious of people who can use more than one language. My grand children have been learning Italian, Japanese --since first years at school ( and are now at University) With 74 years of experience with English I still find it frustrating!
What I think is that speaking is the more important thing today. There is such problems which occure because of no communication, and only can be resolve by communication, that I would like to speak all the language spoken in the world. But, it takes too much time... so I will just study English ;) In fact, what I want is an universal language. English, why not ? It's already the language the most used on internet, so for me, it's important to know english (and it's the universal scientist language too... if I will do a thesis, I will have to study on english books...)

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Old 26th May 2006, 08:03   #24 (permalink)
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Put simply, you want your UVMaps to be as flat as possible, which translates to as evenly laid down as possible. To achieve this in Hexagon you should attempt to cut your model into logical sections that will be easy to manipulate. For example, if you are UVMapping a human and want the least amount of seams on the model, you'd want to go for a "pelt" like map style. Pelting is when you take the skin of an animal and stretch it in several directions until it lays flat...this same thinking would be used in making your UVMap. A great example of how you could achieve this using the same techniques required for Hexagon would be to follow the tutorial found HERE.

Take a long look at the first image on that page. See the green lines on the model? Those are the seams or "cuts" that the person ended up with. It isn't 100% the way I cut my models, as each model should be handled differently but it is a good general starting point. Read through the tutorial, you'll begin to see some of the logic behind this type of UVMapping. At the end of the day though, it's up to you to decide how best to cut your model to get the most out of the texture space. For example: UVMapping for a videogame character is different than UVMapping for film or stills. So are the texturing processes. So also keep in mind what your end result will be used for.

In games, it's not uncommon to lay similar UV's on top of each other to maximize the limited UV Space (most game models have a max UV res of 1024x1024 with more common maps in the 256 and 512 range). So game model UV's tend to have things like hands on top of hands and feet on top of feet, anything to get the most bang for the small space allowed.

Film and stills tend to have a more pelt like approach, where the entire UV is laid out in a skinned kind of way. This allows for asymmetry in the texture, which is important for adding realisim to a model. However, because the model is mapped as mostly a single object, larger resolutions are needed for more texture information to get on each poly (remember, the UV's are a MAP for the texture). Thus most film characters start out using at least a 4096x4096 map, with some going as high as 8000 for extreme close-ups required in shots. For mid range or background characters, 2048x2048 is acceptable but they still don't hold up as well as they could in close-up view. All this info I just blurted should be considered briefly when making your maps. How big will you need the final texture to be? Will the character be the center of attention in the image or a background element? These things will determine how much you can get away with in your maps and what parts may need their own areas in UVSpace.

Take a look at the image in this post. I've labeled the parts of the map. This kind of map would be good for a video game character or a character in a film. It lends itself to both, since every part is on the same UVMap. Sometimes in film, you need to break your models into multiple UVMaps, again to maximize the amount of detail. Let's say you wanted to make a digital duplicate of one of the film's actors that had to pass in front of the camera briefly. For this, you'd want a 8000x8000 map for each body part, which would allow for the most detail. However, such a map isn't practical for everyday creation and isn't really reccomended for use in Hexagon, as it tends to prefer single maps like the one shown.

Now just to keep this train running on my hot air, this model was sliced and diced to allow all the seams to be in hard to reach places like the inner thign/crotch area for the legs, the armpit area for the arms, the back area for the torso. In Hex, it's a little easier to ufold things though I find working in the way described in the WINGS tutorial is probably the best method for characters, as it allows more control. Also keep in mind that one of the programmers was a bit daft and made Hex flip the textures on export, regardless of how it's mapped in the program, so you'll have to flip things back once you're out of Hex. Simple to fix but we really should never have had to in the first place. Bad Eovia! Bad! No dinner for you!

I hope this long winded, self-involved post helped you to understand the thought process behind UVMapping characters, UVMapping in general and UVMapping in Hex specifically. I know it's not perfect and sure as heck ain't a tutorial propper but it's all I have time for.

Here's the same model in Headus UVLAYOUT, so you can see the seam's placement.
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Old 26th May 2006, 13:23   #25 (permalink)
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Thanks Teyon. I know I have seemed a big grouch over a lot of things but it has led to top grade learning recources for all of us. Thanks to all of you for your time and efforts .

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Old 26th May 2006, 14:50   #26 (permalink)
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No problem. We're all about sharing information here.
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Old 13th June 2006, 12:53   #27 (permalink)
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Thanks for the great tutorial, dalboris, and good luck with your exam!
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and another quick, "Thanks and good luck with the exam."
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Old 26th July 2006, 16:28   #30 (permalink)
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Thank you, dalboris, ahead of time. I'll take a look tonight

bwtw mentioned a Tony Trout tute? Where?
Just started with Hexagon last week and I need all the help I can get. I need the "where is this tool" tutorial, and "how do I find this" tutorial.
I'm a convert from Max.
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Old 20th January 2007, 20:31   #31 (permalink)
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Thanks for the tut and all that extra info!
Much appreciated.

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Old 23rd January 2007, 13:57   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks everybody and thanks Teyon for the explanation and the one important fact that Hex flips the maps. I've been in difficulties with that, because I did not know wether I should blame myself or Hex.

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sweet...thanks.
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