Maxon C4D 10, for immediate release... - Polyloop

Sketchy · 5th October 2006, 16:46

Well, I might as well start the first thread here. Looks like C4D10 is a huge facelift.

http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/...ewinr10_e.html

What do you think? I like the look and feel of the interface, icons and all, flat and unshaded. Carrara 6 should have this kind of unshaded 2d effect.

http://www.maxon.net/pages/images/pr...nterface_e.jpg

Thomas · 5th October 2006, 17:10

IMHO, 2D icons may be more easier to understand (and faster to do! It took me a lot of time to realise Hexagon ones...) but in C4D R10, You have too much style difference between the icons. Some are in full 2D, and other includes 3D content, not in the same style...
And i think I'll also switch to 2D icons in my next work...

Sketchy · 5th October 2006, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

IMHO, 2D icons may be more easier to understand (and faster to do! It took me a lot of time to realise Hexagon ones...) but in C4D R10, You have too much style difference between the icons. Some are in full 2D, and other includes 3D content, not in the same style...
And i think I'll also switch to 2D icons in my next work...

I would add that shaded icons seem slower to load, thus take some memory resources that would have been used for other purpose.

Actually, I do the same thing in Windows XP. It is adjusted for best performance. Meaning, all icons are unshaded, shadows and animation effects are turned off completely. I don't even use a wallpaper background for my desktop. It's completely blank.

I favor iconified interfaces. (No, not the TrueSpace kind.) They look friendlier: Hexagon, Carrara, Vue, CAD apps, Solid modelers, Rhino, etc. Textual interfaces really turns me off: Silo, Lightwave, XSI, Blender (which is my main app, ironically.)

Thomas, now that you're no longer part of the Carrara team, who do you think will design C6's UI?

Sketchy · 5th October 2006, 18:32

If I'd have to choose between buying Rhino4 and C4D10, I'll most likely have a hard time deciding which. Both are in the same price range. First of all, Rhino 4 is just a modeler. You still need a renderer like Flamingo.

Considering Rhino is mainly used for industrial/mechanical design offices, I won't have to buy it anyway if I were hired by a company who uses Rhino. Which means the free Rhino demo is enough for learning purposes.

Yup, if I have that kind of money, I'd finally pick C4D10.

But then, I'd have to wait till C6 is released.

Grendel · 5th October 2006, 20:33

Damn good looking interface, and if they have added alot to MOCCA then maybe I'll look at continuing with C4D.

micaelito · 5th October 2006, 21:41

C4D surely suits me, surely...
My intel core 2 duo too...
But...I'm not rich enough.
Too bad for me...
BTW it seems to be a great update.

jbshorty · 5th October 2006, 23:17

i have been interested in C4D for a while, but purchased Carrara earlier this year for a very low price. I thought C5P was able to import 3dm nurbs but in fact everything is meshed (quite inefficiently) while being imported, so i am considering C4D once again. My biggest concern is the ability to import Rhino 3dm files directly as Nurbs. Does anybody know if C4D XL can do this? Is there updateable file linking? I searched all morning online but can't find any news more recent than 2004.

Thanks...

Sketchy · 6th October 2006, 01:16

This is what I've been curious about. Some apps purport to have NURBS such as Maya, XSI, Lightwave, Max, C4D, yet I haven't heard anyone who can open Rhino files in one of these apps without having to convert it to an OBJ, DXF, 3DS, etc. I'm curious as to what separates Rhino NURBS from Maya NURBS, or any of the mentioned apps.

wibble · 6th October 2006, 04:22

Cinema 4D has a really good feel to it and is really well designed. But it still can't do decent fillets. Or perhaps somebody can show me otherwise?

I try filleting the intersection between two overlapping primitives by using a boolean union operation and having it auto select the resulting edges. Then I extrude the edges, but the result is nearly always quite messy.

Now take MoI! That program makes beautiful fillets. Well sometimes it fails to make any at all, but when it does make them, they're lovely!

marcello · 6th October 2006, 09:03

rhino nurbs are, IMO, not supported in any program, as Nurbs; I mean, objects modelled in nurbs are converted in poly to be rendered; C4ds and Lightwave does'nt have any nurbs, although the word nurbs, or hyper nurbs, is sometimes used for subd-patches; but they are'nt nurbs, like in rhino, amapi pro, or Moi;
by the way, I 'm wrong: there is one program rendering nurbs as they are, without conversion, and it's realsoft... but I never try it, and don't know if it's native nurbs of the program, or imported ones...
in my opinion, using intensively rhino, carrara import the mesh with a fine smooth appearance, but you have to apply an extra smooth in lightwave; don't know, for C4d; (but, as I have Bodypaint in standalone, it is probably fine)..
Rhino 4 is going to be very interesting for users of zbrush, as some of the main commands are operating on heavy mesh like those produced in zbrush: trim, split, and booleans; also a lot of curves works on meshes, allowing to work simultoneously on mesh and nurbs;
finnally, via the SMURF plug in, it's relativeley easy to convert mesh in nurbs, wich is interestring once again for zbrush mesh, to work "further" wirth the easiness of nurbs..

JakalDesign · 6th October 2006, 12:37

Too bad its so darn expensive. Expecially if you want to have the advanced rendering... IMHO its necessary.

Nichod · 23rd October 2006, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakalDesign

Too bad its so darn expensive. Expecially if you want to have the advanced rendering... IMHO its necessary.

Yeah. Especially since you need SPD and SSS in a lot of projects. I wouldnt' say GI is necessary. I can't believe they bundled SKY and Pyrocluster in there though. Lots of things I think should just be in the core.

fabster · 23rd October 2006, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by wibble

Cinema 4D has a really good feel to it and is really well designed. But it still can't do decent fillets. Or perhaps somebody can show me otherwise?

I try filleting the intersection between two overlapping primitives by using a boolean union operation and having it auto select the resulting edges. Then I extrude the edges, but the result is nearly always quite messy.

Now take MoI! That program makes beautiful fillets. Well sometimes it fails to make any at all, but when it does make them, they're lovely!

Well the way you describe what you did, there's no polygonal modeler that'll give you any good result like that... You won't get anything good making booleans and filleting them that way. Polygonal and subdivision modelling is totally differents from Nurbs modelling, which what you have in CAD packages.

To make good fillets in subdivision modelling, you have to cope with the smoothing... That'll come with time...

25th October 2006, 14:18

It looks like an excellent version with the addition of more character animation tools, better Bodypaint3D and the UI is much more userfriendly.
I have already place my upgrade order to the Studio Bundle from my current version of 9.6 studio bundle.
Now is just a matter of waiting for its final release.

Ringo

Nichod · 25th October 2006, 19:41

Just wanted to put a word in for those considering purchasing Cinema 4D. The upgrade structure for Cinema is horrible. For instance, an upgrade from version 8 of Cinema 4D Core is the same cost as just purchasing it new. I was planning on purchasing core, but definetly not worth it.

Pete Exxtreme · 25th October 2006, 20:39

...and now Bodypaint is the same price than the core itself (as it's the same thing) : so it's a 50% price increase vs. the previous version

.. otherwise in Europe upgrade from core 8 (480 EUR) is less expensive than the brand new one (685 EUR) , but that's a lot...

ronjurman · 6th February 2007, 08:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nichod

Just wanted to put a word in for those considering purchasing Cinema 4D. The upgrade structure for Cinema is horrible. For instance, an upgrade from version 8 of Cinema 4D Core is the same cost as just purchasing it new. I was planning on purchasing core, but definetly not worth it.

Agreed.

Must also consider C4D's frequent (and not particularly cheap) half-point upgrades, as well as the cost of additional modules (which typically also must be upgraded).

Cinema 4D really is a very fine program, but Maxon's pricing (for all the reasons above) makes it hard to choose over some other very decent programs (at or below their pricing).

rj

5th October 2006, 16:46	#1 (permalink)
Sketchy Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 317 My Photos: (16)	Maxon C4D 10, for immediate release... Well, I might as well start the first thread here. Looks like C4D10 is a huge facelift. http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/...ewinr10_e.html What do you think? I like the look and feel of the interface, icons and all, flat and unshaded. Carrara 6 should have this kind of unshaded 2d effect. http://www.maxon.net/pages/images/pr...nterface_e.jpg

5th October 2006, 17:10	#2 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 10,951 My Photos: (198) Images: 93	IMHO, 2D icons may be more easier to understand (and faster to do! It took me a lot of time to realise Hexagon ones...) but in C4D R10, You have too much style difference between the icons. Some are in full 2D, and other includes 3D content, not in the same style... And i think I'll also switch to 2D icons in my next work... __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop.net [EN/FR] - Meuuh.net [FR +16 ans] - Totyo.com [FR] - Pixologic.eu [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls.com [FR]

5th October 2006, 18:32	#4 (permalink)
Sketchy Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 317 My Photos: (16)	Rhino4 or C4D10? If I'd have to choose between buying Rhino4 and C4D10, I'll most likely have a hard time deciding which. Both are in the same price range. First of all, Rhino 4 is just a modeler. You still need a renderer like Flamingo. Considering Rhino is mainly used for industrial/mechanical design offices, I won't have to buy it anyway if I were hired by a company who uses Rhino. Which means the free Rhino demo is enough for learning purposes. Yup, if I have that kind of money, I'd finally pick C4D10. But then, I'd have to wait till C6 is released.

5th October 2006, 21:41	#6 (permalink)
micaelito Expert en couscous Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rigné (79) Posts: 886 My Photos: (0) Images: 14	C4D surely suits me, surely... My intel core 2 duo too... But...I'm not rich enough. Too bad for me... BTW it seems to be a great update. __________________ " Qui promène son chien est au bout de la laisse." Prof. André Sanfrapper - 1817

5th October 2006, 23:17	#7 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,260 My Photos: (0) Images: 1	rhino nurbs import to C4D? i have been interested in C4D for a while, but purchased Carrara earlier this year for a very low price. I thought C5P was able to import 3dm nurbs but in fact everything is meshed (quite inefficiently) while being imported, so i am considering C4D once again. My biggest concern is the ability to import Rhino 3dm files directly as Nurbs. Does anybody know if C4D XL can do this? Is there updateable file linking? I searched all morning online but can't find any news more recent than 2004. Thanks...

5th October 2006, 20:33	#5 (permalink)
Grendel Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,172 My Photos: (25) Images: 23	Damn good looking interface, and if they have added alot to MOCCA then maybe I'll look at continuing with C4D.

6th October 2006, 01:16	#8 (permalink)
Sketchy Box modeling Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 317 My Photos: (16)	This is what I've been curious about. Some apps purport to have NURBS such as Maya, XSI, Lightwave, Max, C4D, yet I haven't heard anyone who can open Rhino files in one of these apps without having to convert it to an OBJ, DXF, 3DS, etc. I'm curious as to what separates Rhino NURBS from Maya NURBS, or any of the mentioned apps.

6th October 2006, 04:22	#9 (permalink)
wibble Spline Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 35 My Photos: (1)	Cinema 4D has a really good feel to it and is really well designed. But it still can't do decent fillets. Or perhaps somebody can show me otherwise? I try filleting the intersection between two overlapping primitives by using a boolean union operation and having it auto select the resulting edges. Then I extrude the edges, but the result is nearly always quite messy. Now take MoI! That program makes beautiful fillets. Well sometimes it fails to make any at all, but when it does make them, they're lovely!

6th October 2006, 09:03	#10 (permalink)
marcello Now, I learn animation Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: paris Posts: 1,867 My Photos: (0)	rhino nurbs are, IMO, not supported in any program, as Nurbs; I mean, objects modelled in nurbs are converted in poly to be rendered; C4ds and Lightwave does'nt have any nurbs, although the word nurbs, or hyper nurbs, is sometimes used for subd-patches; but they are'nt nurbs, like in rhino, amapi pro, or Moi; by the way, I 'm wrong: there is one program rendering nurbs as they are, without conversion, and it's realsoft... but I never try it, and don't know if it's native nurbs of the program, or imported ones... in my opinion, using intensively rhino, carrara import the mesh with a fine smooth appearance, but you have to apply an extra smooth in lightwave; don't know, for C4d; (but, as I have Bodypaint in standalone, it is probably fine).. Rhino 4 is going to be very interesting for users of zbrush, as some of the main commands are operating on heavy mesh like those produced in zbrush: trim, split, and booleans; also a lot of curves works on meshes, allowing to work simultoneously on mesh and nurbs; finnally, via the SMURF plug in, it's relativeley easy to convert mesh in nurbs, wich is interestring once again for zbrush mesh, to work "further" wirth the easiness of nurbs..

6th October 2006, 12:37	#11 (permalink)
JakalDesign Extrusion Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 169 My Photos: (0)	Too bad its so darn expensive. Expecially if you want to have the advanced rendering... IMHO its necessary.

25th October 2006, 14:18	#14 (permalink)
Ringo Monfort Posts: n/a My Photos: (0)	It looks like an excellent version with the addition of more character animation tools, better Bodypaint3D and the UI is much more userfriendly. I have already place my upgrade order to the Studio Bundle from my current version of 9.6 studio bundle. Now is just a matter of waiting for its final release. Ringo

25th October 2006, 19:41	#15 (permalink)
Nichod Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 611 My Photos: (0) Images: 1	Just wanted to put a word in for those considering purchasing Cinema 4D. The upgrade structure for Cinema is horrible. For instance, an upgrade from version 8 of Cinema 4D Core is the same cost as just purchasing it new. I was planning on purchasing core, but definetly not worth it. __________________ Email Me. Visit my blog! Get hundreds of shader presets! Get Art of Shaders! And a preview for Art of Skin is now available. AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 (2.2GHz/1MB L2 Cache) 1280 MB DDR 333mHz RAM 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM) 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800) I use.

25th October 2006, 20:39	#16 (permalink)
Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,617 My Photos: (2) Images: 21	...and now Bodypaint is the same price than the core itself (as it's the same thing) : so it's a 50% price increase vs. the previous version .. otherwise in Europe upgrade from core 8 (480 EUR) is less expensive than the brand new one (685 EUR) , but that's a lot... __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode