Any word on C6?

[aether]

Hi everyone! I've been out of the 'loop' (pardon the pun) for the last few months; I'm trying to get back into 3D modeling and animation, I've noticed a number of upgrades in the air, (Poser 7, C4D v.10, Vue 6 to name a few).I really enjoy using Carrara so I'd like to know what's up with Carrara 6, … any idea of a time frame for release, anticipated new features … anything.
Best regards to everybody!

[micaelito]

Hi !

You're anticipated new features for Carrara 6 ?

Bad luck...

C6's new owners have decided to become dumb and deaf for a long time i

think.

No, nada, niet, etc...infos about what you're askin for ;)

Welcome in this new world of "communication" Aether .

[ronjurman]

It's sort of a public non-relations -).

rj

[crazy wabbit]

i think they want to stay clear of promises, caligari did that and people were more upset because deadlines were not meet. So I think the silence treatment works the same, the problem is that people will look elsewhere.

Even if carrara and hex lose out daz still has their other stuff to bring in the cash, so it is just an added plus.

I say if you are a serious 3d users look into other programs and wait a while until c6 comes out, but c5 has enough power to do what you want I am sure.

[steama]

DAZ silence is hard to understand. IMHO it just damages them. I am looking elsewhere to get away from this company the best I can, however, I really do like Carrara.

One thing I think you can bank on for Carrara 6 is built in compatibility with DAZ products and maybe some enhanced animation tools. I would look at anything that would bolster their content sales as content is their main bag.

Stan

[markbremmer]

In the past, I've been involved with various companies producing software. The silent treatment isn't that uncommon for two reasons: 1) New features can't completely be built on a schedule and they don't want tick the user base off if deadlines shift, and 2) Software is super-competitive - especially when there are free/open source solutions out there. It's very easy for competition to see announced improvements and then do a "me too" addtion making profitability even more elusive.

When I see the improvements in 3D software alone over the last 3 years, it's astonishing - especially considering the lower feature-per-dollar cost with each cycle. I don't really see why that trend won't continue.

To be fair to folks like Vue, they can and are pre-releasing details on V6 because they are pretty much taking control of the environmental modellers (including the fact they are now a plug-in for Maya and LW) plus they have very marketable sucesses since being used in movies like Pirates of the Carribbean. Why wouldn't you keep that ball rolling?

Mark

[medeamajic]

markbremmer,

I hear your logic but we are talking about Daz. The same company that released info prior to the release Bryce 5.5 and Bryce 6.0. Having said that I am beginning to think Carrara 6 will not be ready anytime soon. Carrara 6 in Beta version should have Symetrical modeling and hair and cloth by now. We should get a few hints about Carrara 6. I think the silence could be because Carrara 6 will be yet another Daz flop like Bryce. Will Carrara 6 have hair and cloth or integration with Daz Studio and Bryce?

Don't get me wrong I like Bryce. I told one of my friends to try the free demo. I felt like a fool telling them to go to the Daz website. Daz needs a Carrara only site.

[Thomas]

Just to mention that the Carrara developpment team is still the same. Even if you think that DAZ do mistakes about strategy or communication, the Carrara team continue its job. They already produced the UB of C5, which is a big task, where some other software are waiting for a major update to do that.
Please, trust this team even if you don't trust the comapny!

[Narration]

Thomas, sorry, what is 'UB'?

Thanks....

[aether]

Thanks a lot guys … I guess it's "wait and see" for now. It is reassuring to know that the original development team is still working on it.

I really like Carrara, but if DAZ doesn't seem to have what it takes an alternative may be in order… I was a Bryce fan from the beginning, but I only went up to version 5.5 and after all that time (with all due respect) Bryce 6 should really be Bryce 5.6 – Just not worth it to me. I really hope Carrara doesn't follow a similar route. There are some pretty innovative new features in some of the other titles, I hope C6 will be competitive .

It would be nice to hear from them soon, as I'm evidently not the only anxious customer.

[markbremmer]

Hi Narration,

UB stands for Universal Binary which allows Carrara to run on either the PPC or Intel achictecture on a Mac. No small feat of code writing to make that work. Adobe isn't planning to release UB versions of their software until 07.

Mark

[CarlLydon]

It was amazing how Carrara improved and turned around after Eovia bought it. I think it was their main program so they put lots of love into it. When MetaCreations owned it, I think I remember them concentrating on other software like Painter.

Dang, Ray Dream and Carrara have been owned by so many companies that it's kinda funny!

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by CarlLydon

Dang, Ray Dream and Carrara have been owned by so many companies that it's kinda funny!

As long as Charles & Co are developing it, i think it will evolve well. But DAZ would be very wise to release a public beta 3-4 months before commercial release, so we can report the heart-stopping bugs. Another event like the Hex fiasco would seal DAZ's coffin as software developers...

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by jbshorty

Another event like the Hex fiasco would seal DAZ's coffin as software developers...

Both Hex 2 and 2.1 were products of the original Eovia Europe team, not DAZ. The premature release of Hex 2 was not DAZ's doing. For the moment, DAZ has zero track record on Hex development, neither good nor bad.

DAZ has had to assemble a new development team, which has to learn the Hex code, then attack the bugs and then move onto either version 3 or a UB version of Hex 2.

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Both Hex 2 and 2.1 were products of the original Eovia Europe team, not DAZ. The premature release of Hex 2 was not DAZ's doing. For the moment, DAZ has zero track record on Hex development, neither good nor bad.

I am well aware of it. But keep in mind that public perception is not always based on the facts. It was DAZ who shipped it, therefore it left a black eye on them because they shipped what they must have known to be full of bugs... Not that anyone should care, but in my company we design and sell our products to retailers. We are not manufacturers. But when goods arrive from the factory in poor condition, we advise the status to our clients and let them decide if they can wait for a product of better quality. In most cases, they prefer to wait. And their in-store deadlines are much more finite than the deadlines of the average Hexagon user... What happened with Hexagon was a obviously not a failure of DAZ as a software developr, but surely it was a failure of DAZ's management/marketing teams to consider the repercussions of shipping Hex in it's buggy state, as it was then. It left it's mark either way. And believe me, if C6 is not solid upon shipping then you will see people screaming bloody murder once more...

jonah

[First Gear Territories]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

markbremmer,

I think the silence could be because Carrara 6 will be yet another Daz flop like Bryce.

Don't get me wrong I like Bryce. I told one of my friends to try the free demo. I felt like a fool telling them to go to the Daz website. Daz needs a Carrara only site.

I have to say, as someone who has used Bryce since 3.0, I was not disappointed by B6, particularly at the price offered. 5.5 had some serious bugs, but with Bryce 6, I think the bus is moving again. I find that B6 is stable and functional on my system, and more importantly is cleaned up enough to make third party involvement a reality for plugins etc.

Just my two cents.

[medeamajic]

My post was supposed to say don't get me wrong I like Carrara not Bryce. I made a mistake. I think Bryce is OK for a $99.99 program but the GUI Is very out dated in my opinion. There is no excuse for Bryce not to be up to par with Carrara and sell for $199.99. I think the Bryce upgrades are minimal at best. Gives us Bones, skeletons, morphing, modeling and toon style rendering engine in Bryce 6 and I will consider it a good upgrade. Bryce 6 is better than Bryce 5.5 but Bryce 5.5 should have been a free download.


I have Bryce 3, 4 and 5. I stopped at 5 because the upgrades were not that great and Carrara works better for me. Bryce will always be playing catch up up to Carrara. Bryce is OK for the price but it is light years behind Carrara Pro. Why use Bryce 6 when there is Carrara 5?

[Narration]

Originally Posted by markbremmer

Hi Narration,

UB stands for Universal Binary which allows Carrara to run on either the PPC or Intel achictecture on a Mac.

Mark, thanks. I had my head very far from Intel Macs on that day ;).

But I used Macs for a long time from their beginning, and maybe with the new dual arrangements, I can again one of these days.

I admit feeling the Dazmalaise here - Charles is clearly the man, but now he and his team have to do also what their team-mates couldn't, as far as Hex.

I certainly hope Daz is giving him new manpower (personpower?) of the top grade, and enough of it.

Kind regards,
Clive

[Couerl]

Bug-free software is just software that didn't try hard enough. Anyone can bake the perfect apple pie or walk on water as long as it's premade or frozen. Rather than look at Hex2 as a software full of bugs, whose fault was French devs or Daz or former Eovia or whatever (In the end I don't even care). I prefer to see it as a forward looking app that tried hard and succeeded on many fronts. Carrara, Vue, Bryce, others have always done the same and taken the same risks and will hopefully continue to do that. I'm still not sure which is worse, the application bugs or the user bugs, but I know they both exist.

I thought and still think much like Shorty that the user base will cry bloody murder if C6 is not up to snuff or isn't perfect. I also thought that a public Beta would be smart because then that's just one less hing to blame, but the more I use these programs, the more I see that their perfection isn't the only issue.
You can give a man the perfect manual, the perfect software or the perfect woman and some of them, no matter how perfect they are will always find fault first.

[medeamajic]

I think Daz is going to waste to much time and effort into making Carrara, Daz Studio and Bryce intergrate with one another. I consider it a complete waste of time since Carrara can do everything Bryce and Daz Studio can do. While Carrara 6 may have hair and cloth I am certain resources are being wasted on integration with other Daz products. It would be like trying to develope RDS or Infini-D once again. Daz Studio and Bryce should not be developed any further but be free down loads to help sell content.

I am scared by the fact that Daz considers them self a 3-D Content and software provider. 3-D Content comes first. Is that retarded or is it retarded? The sale of content is OK but the content is highlighted while Carrara and Hexagon take a back seat.

I think Daz is a retarded company. They can not prioritize things at all. Still no Carrara only website. There promotional gimmics to get Daz memberships is rude and absurd to say the least. I find it offensive.

Regaurdless of Carrara 6 Daz is far from perfect. Infact I think Daz sucks big time. Daz has had many opportunites to shine but they opt to tarnish them selves over and over again.