Any word on C6?

[micaelito]

Carrara's users are just used to be informed Ringo ;), as they used to be.

DAZ must speak because the Carrara's users are worried.

It's not like when Eovia owned Carrara.

In those times, we were all waiting without worries...We knew their

motivations and trust them.

They didn't need to communicate a lot, trust was there.

DAZ is a newbie for us...we don't trust them because :

- No answer for users in their forum.

- No reactivity

- Users banned for nothing exept having told their point of view without

offensing anyone.

- Useless and comic chat when all the important questions are forbiden.

3D creation (except contents) does'nt seems to be their way of life...

We users, need to be informed.

Be kind, tell DAZ about it.

My statement is not an unfair one, you and Carrara's users know it.

[Pete Exxtreme]

Don't forget one thing : you have the freedom to switch software if you're not in confidence with Daz's Carrara (I did it) : then all these worries will be history !

Don't loose your energy on never ending complaints (that i can understand been on Carrara since version 2 ) : use it for 3D creativity : Modo, Lightwave, Cinema4D, Silo, Blender etc... are waiting for you (and your bucks BTW )

Have fun

Hi, Micaelito.

With user was banned for nothing at DAZ forums? I sure have never banned anyone from the DAZ forums. I handle the forums that relate to Hexagon and Carrara. I also provide the news and information related to both softwares in those forum. So I'm the link between DAZ and users but only at DAZ forums not here nor in any other forum.

You are welcome to ask questions, visit and provide tips at the DAZ forums anytime. The only time anyone will get banned at the DAZ forums is if a user breaks the TOS rules and before that happens it is consulted with all the forum moderators. So we go by the rules.

Originally Posted by micaelito

Carrara's users are just used to be informed Ringo ;), as they used to be.

DAZ must speak because the Carrara's users are worried.

It's not like when Eovia owned Carrara.

In those times, we were all waiting without worries...We knew their

motivations and trust them.

They didn't need to communicate a lot, trust was there.

DAZ is a newbie for us...we don't trust them because :

- No answer for users in their forum.

- No reactivity

- Users banned for nothing exept having told their point of view without

offensing anyone.

- Useless and comic chat when all the important questions are forbiden.

3D creation (except contents) does'nt seems to be their way of life...

We users, need to be informed.

Be kind, tell DAZ about it.

My statement is not an unfair one, you and Carrara's users know it.

[First Gear Territories]

Here's a unique and novel idea,

What if folks were to wait and see what DAZ does with the Carrara and Hexagon packages?

By all means, if something else is compelling, then feel free to invest.

In the meantime, if the next build of either package is inadequate, then that would be a good time to make complaints heard, either by voice or by wallet.

The only previous package that DAZ has dealt with so far is Bryce, and it sounds as if there was a LOT of work to be done to fix the underlying code.

As for Hex, it was effectively sold at the time as a work in progress.

As for C5, it's honestly a pretty stable build. I can say this, having used the package since it was Ray Dream Studio 5.). Carrara 1 and 1.1 were disasters, but from V2 onward, the application has continued to significantly improve.

Give them some time, folks. If they screw up, then by all means you should call them on it, and make your choices accordingly. In the meantime, if another package truly strikes your fancy, then it is a free market...and you are absolutely free to invest in whatever technology you believe will best meet your long-term needs.

Just some thoughts...

[Couerl]

Originally Posted by Pete Exxtreme

Don't forget one thing : you have the freedom to switch software if you're not in confidence with Daz's Carrara (I did it) : then all these worries will be history !

Don't loose your energy on never ending complaints (that i can understand been on Carrara since version 2 ) : use it for 3D creativity : Modo, Lightwave, Cinema4D, Silo, Blender etc... are waiting for you (and your bucks BTW )

Have fun

Hmm, switching to LW9 might be nice and even tempting, but all the worries being history? I doubt it and LW9 has its share problems like any other soft, I am certain. The perfect 3D package or company does not exist and never will.

[Piem]

Originally Posted by First Gear Territories

Here's a unique and novel idea,

What if folks were to wait and see what DAZ does with the Carrara and Hexagon packages?

I agree

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Ringo Monfort

Hi,

That is an unfair statement. Eovia had the same policy of not making any product hints or announcements until the product was ready or within a month of release.

Yes and no. At the end of Eovia, things has been changed: we created the Hexagblog to speak about Hexagon 2 a long time before its release, and we were showing new features. Speaking about a product before it's release doesn't mean saying everything about it.
I think their is a difference between saying what will be the features and saying that a company is working on a new version. In my opinion, the problem is that DAZ avoid to answer to simple questions which makes the user not understanding.
As usual, a communication problem (which company doesn't have this problem?). Even if DAZ is a "competitor" of my current company, let them show to all what they can do. They have good developpers and without any doubt, C6 will be a good product!

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by First Gear Territories

Here's a unique and novel idea,

What if folks were to wait and see what DAZ does with the Carrara and Hexagon packages?

By all means, if something else is compelling, then feel free to invest.

In the meantime, if the next build of either package is inadequate, then that would be a good time to make complaints heard, either by voice or by wallet.

The only previous package that DAZ has dealt with so far is Bryce, and it sounds as if there was a LOT of work to be done to fix the underlying code.

As for Hex, it was effectively sold at the time as a work in progress.

As for C5, it's honestly a pretty stable build. I can say this, having used the package since it was Ray Dream Studio 5.). Carrara 1 and 1.1 were disasters, but from V2 onward, the application has continued to significantly improve.

Give them some time, folks. If they screw up, then by all means you should call them on it, and make your choices accordingly. In the meantime, if another package truly strikes your fancy, then it is a free market...and you are absolutely free to invest in whatever technology you believe will best meet your long-term needs.

Just some thoughts...

first gear,

You can drop your pom poms now. This is the Polyloop forum not the Daz forums. Freedom of speach is allowed.

What should I wait for?

Please pay attention. Carrara was going great in my opinion then Daz bought Carrara. I felt like they would offer Carrara or Hexagon to the Daz members for cheap. That has happened. Software should not be used as bait for memberships. Daz should respect the Eovians much better than they have thus far. Give everyone a good price. The Bryce 5.5 upgrade integrated with Daz Studio. Bryce 5.5 should have been a free download not an upgrade. Daz wastes the website space on the promotion of 3-D content over promoting Carrara. I use Carrara and Hexagon and I have every right to say Daz sucks because they do. As of now I will stick with Carrara but I image the 6.0 upgrade will be what the Dazzers want (integration with Bryce and Daz Studio) instead of the true Eovians. Daz has not impressed me thus far. Infact they are the worst software company I have ever dealt with thus far. Keep the 3-D Content and Carrara software seperate. Daz is just plain rude to the true Eovians in my opinion. Eovia treated us much better.

Daz can take that membership and shove it up their #*$.

[medeamajic]

A post like my previous one will get you banned from the Daz website even if it is 100% true.

I like Carrara and if Daz wants my respect they must earn it. I am not a push over for free content like Vicki or Aiko.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

You can drop your pom poms now. This is the Polyloop forum not the Daz forums. Freedom of speach is allowed.

Please, remember that I'm the owner of this forum, and then, I have the accountability of what you say. Then, no censor until it's a defamation content. Stay polite and respectful even if you don't like X or Y

But again your hexagon Blog was well within the time frame that was taken during the product announcement time and beta cycle to its final release. That is normal practice within a product release.
Your Hexagon Blog was not 5 or 6 month before hexagon2 was even announce was it? Your blog stated after hex2 was announce.

All products even at DAZ have an announcement date and a release date in between that timeframe product information is release or posted. You know this Thomas. Sometimes it is a month or month and a half between annoucement and release. I see this all the time.
When the time comes for making a Carrara6 annoucement the information will be provide and later on a release date is posted. This is just standard practice.

Originally Posted by Thomas

Yes and no. At the end of Eovia, things has been changed: we created the Hexagblog to speak about Hexagon 2 a long time before its release, and we were showing new features. Speaking about a product before it's release doesn't mean saying everything about it.
I think their is a difference between saying what will be the features and saying that a company is working on a new version. In my opinion, the problem is that DAZ avoid to answer to simple questions which makes the user not understanding.
As usual, a communication problem (which company doesn't have this problem?). Even if DAZ is a "competitor" of my current company, let them show to all what they can do. They have good developpers and without any doubt, C6 will be a good product!

[Thomas]

I never said it was not a standard practice. But the Hexablog was open before the announce, but not announced.

But I think we go off topic in my opinion...

come over to http:digitalpainters.net and you get a special offer discount on some 3rd party software. ;-)

Originally Posted by Pete Exxtreme

Don't forget one thing : you have the freedom to switch software if you're not in confidence with Daz's Carrara (I did it) : then all these worries will be history !

Don't loose your energy on never ending complaints (that i can understand been on Carrara since version 2 ) : use it for 3D creativity : Modo, Lightwave, Cinema4D, Silo, Blender etc... are waiting for you (and your bucks BTW )

Have fun

Very true.

Originally Posted by Thomas

I never said it was not a standard practice. But the Hexablog was open before the announce, but not announced.

But I think we go off topic in my opinion...

There was a huge out cry for UB version of Carrara at the Carrara yahoo groups and at renderosity and even here. This was way before the DAZ deal. I remember talking to Bob Stockwell about this in early January and what road map they had planned for such a task and C6. They had two options Do the UB for C6 and cut down on the number of features for C6 or do the UB for C5 and delay C6 but have a full feature rich C6. The choice was made to do the UB for C5 first and than get into full gear for C6.
Also Bob Stockwell posted here and in the yahoo group in regards to similar comments posted in this thread that C6 will be all for DAzzzzzzzz features and non for the Ex-Eoviann. He said that the C6 spec did NOT reflect any of those fears and he was right from what I know.

By the time DAZ acquired Eovia the UB version of C5 was all ready way under way and the road map layed out for C5UB and C6 just continue.
So in some regards DAZ is taking a lot of heat for a plan that was layed out in advance under Eovia. DAZ is not delaying or is the cause of not having a C6 ready as of this date. But DAZ is confident that the Carrara development team can and will deliver an out standing product just as they have done before.

Originally Posted by LoneGunman

I do not remember any Carrara users on any forum I visit ever requesting UB version (i'm not saying it was not communicated directly to DAZ or that I specifically searched for it, it could be few), on the other hand, one of the bigger requests by users is to give them some information on current development status and more updates on bug fixes for Carrara5 and Hex2.

That could be considered (by lot of users) as not beeing fair either.

Not that I care (I switched already), but I feel for them cuz lot of people are afraid of change or too sentimental or just simply cannot afford it. I have feeling that DAZ counts on that and a very safe cash flow from platinum club user base.

Policies can be changed, I seen it before, not becouse of the customers (who care about them ), only if it's gonna increase profit.

One thing is for sure, so far DAZ did not make any big impressions on more serious users (cheerleaders might dissagree) of Bryce, Carrara and Hexagon. Are they ever gonna try ? Time will tell

[steama]

Sure, many users are concerned with DAZ. I am one of them. There are good reasons to be concerned IMHO. That said C5 Pro works pretty good for my needs. I am going wait and see what features C6 Pro has under its hood before I do anything. If there is reason to switch at that time then I will.

Stan

[LoneGunman]

Originally Posted by Ringo Monfort

There was a huge out cry for UB version of Carrara at the Carrara yahoo groups and at renderosity and even here...

Does not cut it. Statistically it is a smallest OS group in the world (a loud one, sometimes, indeed), there is more Linux users in 3D field, but no one will ever think about making Carrara or Hex to work under it

Biggest dissapointment for me, personally, was NOT (notice past tense I used here) a silence about future versions, I could wait virtually forever if current one was working as advertised, but it is NOT, many issues are still not fixed and many not even addressed yet... If you believe that almost zero response in bug tracker, for example, is not real reflection on current work on improving Carrara 5 (as I remember, that is what you stated in DAZ forums), what the hell it is (?), moderators generic responses in DAZ forums ??? That does not cut it either

When and IF DAZ releases fix for current Carrara5 issues I might change my opinion about them...

[jbshorty]

i would like to see Carrara mature past 5.1 before we have to pay for C6.... this is a trend i really don't like, where companies release a program, then release a patch for (most of) the bugs. then we don't see any enhancements until the next major release. what happened to a few point releases along the way?...

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Please, remember that I'm the owner of this forum, and then, I have the accountability of what you say. Then, no censor until it's a defamation content. Stay polite and respectful even if you don't like X or Y

I hear you loud and clear. I should be able to make my post at the Daz site but they do not like to hear the truth. The sad news is that your site has become a place for the true Eovians to vent their anger at DAZ. Like other Eovians I like Carrara very much but I think Daz is the worst company to take over the Carrara software. Daz could change their ways but I doubt they will.

[medeamajic]

Ringo Monfort,

Why can't Daz have a seperate site for Carrara with tutorials a forum and a place to post bugs. I do not like being blasted with content like many other Eovians. It is embarassing to tell a friend about Carrara and tell them to go to the Daz website to check it out. I think Daz owns a few website. Why not one for Carrara? My take is that they do not think of Carrara as anything great.