Any word on C6?

[crazy wabbit]

My plans are to stick with carrara for now and by the time maya and max have a baby then i will learn that. I might and that is might learn modo too. I don't care for animation, so just modeling and illustration is fine by me.

[aether]

The unfortunate thing about Carrara is that it seems to be playing second fiddle to a cottage industry of "very limited use," non-professional/hobby 3D content.
After eovia's acquisition and sebsequent development, Carrara deserves to be a "flagship" program, especially since it was elevated to Carrara Pro form mere Studio. The good folks at Daz must realize that the former eovia community is of a different ilk from the traditional Daz customer. I (a former Infini-D user), personally, chose Carrara because it seemed to be a powerful, affordable, progressive application with the potential to bridge the gap with the "Big Boys." It is inconsequential to me if it "pulls up" lesser, fledgling, toy programs. C6Pro really needs to be robust if it is to retain the interest of seroius users … we need to know it can do much more than just animate the wings on our little fairies.
Far be it for me to tell them how to run their company, but as a customer, after almost a year since the last upgrade, and a number of new software titles and upgrades from competitive alternatives (not to mention lowered pricing in some cases), I really don't care to simply sit around, uninformed in the dark … I would strongly suggest that they at least give us an idea of what's in the works. Come on DAZ, are we chasing the "big boys" or simply playing with toys?

[chrisd]

Originally Posted by Couerl

Bug-free software is just software that didn't try hard enough. Anyone can bake the perfect apple pie or walk on water as long as it's premade or frozen. Rather than look at Hex2 as a software full of bugs, whose fault was French devs or Daz or former Eovia or whatever (In the end I don't even care). I prefer to see it as a forward looking app that tried hard and succeeded on many fronts.

No argument here. Given the chance, Hexagon could be a top notch application not only because of its capabilities, but because it is relatively easy to use.

[Butch]

So your saying that CARRERA days are probably over?!

[markbremmer]

Carrara will be around for awhile. ;)

[jbshorty]

I have confidence that C6 will be very good. Most of the big feature improvements were in the works before the DAZ acquisition... My concern is actually for C7. Then we will see if DAZ's content sales are higher priority than building a top-end animation package. But really there's no such thing as future-proof software. So i will probably upgrade to C6 without hesitation...

jonah

[Couerl]

Originally Posted by jbshorty

I have confidence that C6 will be very good. Then we will see if DAZ's content sales are higher priority than building a top-end animation

jonah

The funny thing (or maybe not so funny) about this is that the two are NOT mutually exsclusive. If you want to sell content and be successful there, you need the tools to make the highest quality content you possibly can and thus Hex2/3 should be your weapon of choice and the one you dedicate the most attention to. Using Lightwave or some other package to develop Vicki 4 and Michael 4 is a slap in your own face.

As for Carrara, that depends on the Devs too and Charles and crew are the last of the Jedi... I think Eovia did what it had to do and Daz is doing what it feels it has to do too and really when you boil it all down on the table, its us users who will determine the fate of Hex and Carrara...
We're the ones who support, or don't support them.

[crazy wabbit]

i think the reason we are all so peed is not so much that we can not use what we have or it is no good, it is the fact that we do not feel stable, we are uncertain, we are worried we do not know the future. This is different from lets say having and adobe product or max or maya, in those cases the company has invested so much that they are never going to leave their clients deserted.

I am still stuck on the reason why carrara and hex was sold out to Daz? and then sold for cheap.

I am right now going to save my money and buy a ps3, yes sorry no 3d programs until i know what carrara and hex have to offer. And oh i forgot to mention, who is to say that once carrara and hex are out that they do not have new bugs and such.

[medeamajic]

I am not sure if we Eovians will determine the fate of Carrara or if the Dazzers will. I know the original Carrara team is still working on Carrara 6 but there is no doubt in my mind that the Carrara team will be asked to implement features that the Dazzers want. None of us Eovians wanted intergration with Daz Studio but the Dazzers do. Just think if Adobe had bought Carrara. Implemenation with the Daz Doll House products would be a non issue and I would feel much more confident about the Carrara 6 upgrade being on time and well worth the money. We should have some info about Carrara 6 by now. I think they even took pre order sales last year in December.

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by behzad

...I am still stuck on the reason why carrara and hex was sold out to Daz? and then sold for cheap...

we will never know why they sold it. maybe eovia wasn't seeing enough profit to develop these programs? Maybe they were just tired, and saw a good chance to get out while the getting was good... Anyway, this could be a good thing. While Eovia was fighting for it's piece of the mid-range market, DAZ was able to do something that Eovia could not. They created a user base of NEW customers, people who may have considered 3D creation tools to be out of their reach. A bigger user base will help give Carrara longer sustainability...

jonah

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

Just think if Adobe had bought Carrara...

the price would have doubled...

[steama]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

I am not sure if we Eovians will determine the fate of Carrara or if the Dazzers will. I know the original Carrara team is still working on Carrara 6 but there is no doubt in my mind that the Carrara team will be asked to implement features that the Dazzers want. None of us Eovians wanted intergration with Daz Studio but the Dazzers do. Just think if Adobe had bought Carrara. Implemenation with the Daz Doll House products would be a non issue and I would feel much more confident about the Carrara 6 upgrade being on time and well worth the money. We should have some info about Carrara 6 by now. I think they even took pre order sales last year in December.

Dazzers will. No doubt.

First of all the number of Dazzers dwarf the number of original Carrara users. Second is that DAZ's primary business is selling 3d poser type content. Features that bolster the DAZ content business will be included in Carrara 6 first and foremost. Everything DAZ does is to sell more content or Platinum Club memberships. Just look at the few new features that were added to Bryce 6. I think this paints a good picture on what to expect the direction of Carrara 6 will take.

Stan

[medeamajic]

jbshorty,

You give Daz way to much credit. Eovia could have sold Carrara for $19.00 and tripled the user base. The downside is that no funds would be there to develope the next version of Carrara. A bigger user base does not have anything to do with a good or bad product. I think the Bryce user base increased for a while under Daz but Bryce has not matured well. I hope you can comprehend the point I am trying to make. If you think a bigger user base means a better product that is just not a logical way to think.

The price of Carrara has gone up over the years but I doubt Adobe would double the price.

[medeamajic]

steama,

I agree with your thoughts. It is sad but true. Daz can design things like textures for Bryce and shoes for vicki and I think it is OK for people to use them but I just can not stand the logic behind the way the Dazzers think. I have been kicked of the Daz forums but I do not regret it. It was not for me. Daz needs the Carrara site ASAP for the true Eovians and to atract serious 3-D users. I am embarassed to tell people that I use Carrara now that Daz owns them. The Daz website looks awful. The software should be in the spot light not the Daz content of the month.

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

jbshorty,

You give Daz way to much credit. Eovia could have sold Carrara for $19.00 and tripled the user base. The downside is that no funds would be there to develope the next version of Carrara. A bigger user base does not have anything to do with a good or bad product. I think the Bryce user base increased for a while under Daz but Bryce has not matured well. I hope you can comprehend the point I am trying to make. If you think a bigger user base means a better product that is just not a logical way to think.

The price of Carrara has gone up over the years but I doubt Adobe would double the price.

You never heard me say that a bigger user base would yield a better product. I only said the large user base would make Carrara more sustainable. Obviously if DAZ was interested to see a profit from sales of C5, they wouldn't have sold it so cheap. The plan must be to profit from C6 and higher... Regarding Adobe, i am not a fan of them as a company (although i rely on some of their programs). They are undoutably one of the biggest offenders of price gouging in the software industry. If you don't believe me, then go compare their Acrobat3D to Right Hemisphere's Deep Publish. Both do the exact same job. they even use the same engine and helicopter models in their demos. Which means thet Adobe probably liscensed the technology from Right Hemisphere. The difference? Deep Publish costs $99. Acrobat 3D costs like $400, plus you must own Acrobat or Illustrator to use it (another $600). And Adobe upgrades cost about 60% of the full price, whereas other programs may charge 35-40% . Not to mention, a liscense is not cross-platform. You have to buy 2 liscences if you need for both Windows and Mac...

jonah

Hi,

That is an unfair statement. Eovia had the same policy of not making any product hints or announcements until the product was ready or within a month of release. The same policy is in place under DAZ for Carrara.
So it is nothing new.
Like Thomas has stated, the same development team is in charge of Carrara as they were at Eovia.

Do keep in mind that due to the developers having to work no the Universal Binary version of C5 it took time away from working on C6. So if they had to take say "X" number of months to do UB version than factor that into your C6 time frame.
I understand that everyone is use to seeing a Carrara version near the end of the year but UB version delay things.

Originally Posted by micaelito

Hi !

You're anticipated new features for Carrara 6 ?

Bad luck...

C6's new owners have decided to become dumb and deaf for a long time i

think.

No, nada, niet, etc...infos about what you're askin for ;)

Welcome in this new world of "communication" Aether .

[medeamajic]

jbshorty,

I am not a big fan of Adobe but I do like them better than Daz. Having said that Adobe did not double the price of Audition. Infact the upgrade was cheaper than Syntrilliums upgrade price. The Macromedia software did not double in price either. I do not want this thread to be cluttered with posts of Adobe being good or bad. I would just feel safer if Adobe or even Calagari Arts bought Carrara. I would get good prices on upgrades from Adobe and Calagari Arts with out needing to join the Daz Platinum Club.

[LoneGunman]

Originally Posted by Ringo Monfort

Hi,

That is an unfair statement...

I do not remember any Carrara users on any forum I visit ever requesting UB version (i'm not saying it was not communicated directly to DAZ or that I specifically searched for it, it could be few), on the other hand, one of the bigger requests by users is to give them some information on current development status and more updates on bug fixes for Carrara5 and Hex2.

That could be considered (by lot of users) as not beeing fair either.

Not that I care (I switched already), but I feel for them cuz lot of people are afraid of change or too sentimental or just simply cannot afford it. I have feeling that DAZ counts on that and a very safe cash flow from platinum club user base.

Policies can be changed, I seen it before, not becouse of the customers (who care about them ), only if it's gonna increase profit.

One thing is for sure, so far DAZ did not make any big impressions on more serious users (cheerleaders might dissagree) of Bryce, Carrara and Hexagon. Are they ever gonna try ? Time will tell

[jbshorty]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

...I would get good prices on upgrades from Adobe and Calagari Arts with out needing to join the Daz Platinum Club...

I'm no fan of the "membership" thing either. I'd rather they just up the price for non-members. But really it's no big deal... You obviously have little faith in DAZ whatsoever. for me i never even knew about the content industry or DAZ until they took over Eovia US (i'd only heard of Poser, but knew nothing about). So they still have one opportunity to prove themselves to me. I will give them at least one fair shot...

jonah

[-ash-]

I'm going to stick with Carrara for the moment. I've been tempted by the Modo offer and drooled over all the fancy things in the latest C4D, but, at the end of the day, Carrara gives me more bang for buck than any of them.

I'm confident that Charles and co will be working hard to make C6 a great update. I do think the buyout by DAZ will delay the release into next year though, because they lost the French team. But I'd rather have a great update next summer than a half baked one just to get it out for the end of the year.

Other companies are happy to keep working until it is right (for example: Nevercenter and Pixologic) and I don't think DAZ should be afraid to do the same.

As for telling us what the features are, well, that is a 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' scenario. If they say what features they are planning and then can't get them to work we'll all be disapointed. On the other hand, if they don't say what they are doing then people complain as well! Tough call. They are probably right in keeping quiet, I've seen other companies do the same and in the long run it doesn't hurt providing that the updates are good enough. And, as I said, I'm pretty sure that Charles is driving some good stuff for C6.