Should the sky render do this ? - Polyloop

andywright · 18th February 2006, 22:53

I am playing with the terrain generator, and i had a background sky and sun from the browser library loaded.

The render is shown below, the light looks unrealistic how it colours the front of the two highest mountains, should it do this ?

bwtr · 19th February 2006, 01:26

Any chane of posting your .car file to have a look at? Or at least the actual names of the items which you loaded from the browser may help.

andywright · 19th February 2006, 01:35

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Originally Posted by bwtr

Any chane of posting your .car file to have a look at? Or at least the actual names of the items which you loaded from the browser may help.

Unfortunately, silly me, I have been playing with it since i posted, so don't have the original position etc.

However, in moving it, this happened, which seems to be the same effect (clouds ?)

I am posting the car for this.

bwtr · 19th February 2006, 05:16

I just changed the sky to "Warm Sunrise" and the problem went away. Which preset did you use again? I did the change via "Atmosphere" where I usually enter skys from in the fist place -Scene-Atmosphere etc. Perhaps the problem is in using the browser--I will try that next.

bwtr · 19th February 2006, 05:29

I have just done a from scratch exercise. Starting with double clicking a sky into the Assembly room then adding a default terrain but can not duplicate the problem. Lets know--- if you keep a record of the exact proceedure--if it happens again.

bwtr · 19th February 2006, 05:41

The Sky paths I usually use.

Patrick210 · 19th February 2006, 05:47

Try using the realistc sky, the regular sky is older technology. Your render problem is that the height of the cloud plane is too low.

medeamajic · 19th February 2006, 05:56

That is what I was going to say. It is the altitude of the cloud's plane.

bwtr · 19th February 2006, 06:54

I so rarely play with clouds I did not give that a thought! Andywright what a lot of fun and learning as always!

andywright · 19th February 2006, 16:25

Thanks for the help guys

In some ways I am glad it wasn't too obvious......I don't feel quite so silly

Carrara just has so many bells and whistles plus multiple ways of applying them...makes it very powerful, but on occasion trips you up

andywright · 20th February 2006, 22:14

Now I might be being really thick here or missing something in the manual.....but why does my sky have no visible sun while the test scene render has a visible one ?

And yes..I know this must be one of the most boring scenes in the universe, but stripped it down to try to figure out what I am doing wrong.

Patrick210 · 21st February 2006, 00:50

You need to enable "my scene" instead of "default scene".

andywright · 21st February 2006, 01:05

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Originally Posted by Patrick210

You need to enable "my scene" instead of "default scene".

I did that, and if you try it on my .car, you will find you get a pretty pink/purple sky, but no visible sun disc, whereas the 'default' setting clearly shows the sun visible.

bwtr · 21st February 2006, 01:13

Something faulty with the .car file Andy. Nothing but blackness!

andywright · 21st February 2006, 01:41

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Originally Posted by bwtr

Something faulty with the .car file Andy. Nothing but blackness!

Hmmm thats strange, just downloaded the car and tried the render and got my nice purple sky (minus a sun disc)...perhaps i saved it wrong..should I save with external, local or internal settings ?

In addition, to clarify in case its not clear, I set the sun in a realistic sky. I edited settings for sun, and changed it so the sun would be visible in NW sky. The sun IS visible in the default setting render in the sun attributes editor (screenshot), but not in the same editor if set to 'my scene' or in my scene if I render it. This confused me.

Patrick210 · 21st February 2006, 01:50

The default scene is always looking straight into the corner of the grid, which is is exactly northwest. If you have rotated the camera any, the "default" view will be different from "my scene" and you will have to keep that in mind when postioning the sun.

bwtr · 21st February 2006, 02:37

The bit about saving---does it make any difference to the .car file usability at our end?
(Hope someone answers because I never fiddle with the default) Have you tried starting again from scratch with your exercise?--ie. isthe problem able to be duplicated?

andywright · 22nd February 2006, 23:31

Thanks for the input...it was because my scene was not oriented quite right for the sun to be visible, and the sun has to be much lower on the settings 'globe' that intuitively I feel it should

bwtr · 23rd February 2006, 03:37

You say you edited the settings for the sun, and changed it-------??? I thought the default settings for the sun are always in the NW sky!

andywright · 24th February 2006, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

You say you edited the settings for the sun, and changed it-------??? I thought the default settings for the sun are always in the NW sky!

The default render in the sun settings is always NW...and I could see the sun clearly in that.

However, my scene was not quite oriented NW (though I thought it was) and therefore the sun wasn't visible where I expected it. I tried tweaking the orientation of my scene and the height of the sun...and eventually I found it.

I wish that the sun was visible in the scene layout like the lightbulb or spotlight is..it would make it much easier to position

18th February 2006, 22:53	#1 (permalink)
andywright Extrusion Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 154	Should the sky render do this ? I am playing with the terrain generator, and i had a background sky and sun from the browser library loaded. The render is shown below, the light looks unrealistic how it colours the front of the two highest mountains, should it do this ? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Win XP Pro, 2 GB DDR 400 MHz Geoforce 6800GT Xtreme 256 MB. Carrara 5 Pro, Hexagon 2.01, Lightwave 8.5 Poser 6, DAZ Studio, Vu 5 Infinite, Bryce 5.5 www.wright-site.co.uk

19th February 2006, 05:16	#4 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	I just changed the sky to "Warm Sunrise" and the problem went away. Which preset did you use again? I did the change via "Atmosphere" where I usually enter skys from in the fist place -Scene-Atmosphere etc. Perhaps the problem is in using the browser--I will try that next. Attached Thumbnails

19th February 2006, 05:41	#6 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	The Sky paths I usually use. Attached Thumbnails

19th February 2006, 16:25	#10 (permalink)
andywright Extrusion Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 154	Thanks for the help guys In some ways I am glad it wasn't too obvious......I don't feel quite so silly Carrara just has so many bells and whistles plus multiple ways of applying them...makes it very powerful, but on occasion trips you up __________________ Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Win XP Pro, 2 GB DDR 400 MHz Geoforce 6800GT Xtreme 256 MB. Carrara 5 Pro, Hexagon 2.01, Lightwave 8.5 Poser 6, DAZ Studio, Vu 5 Infinite, Bryce 5.5 www.wright-site.co.uk

22nd February 2006, 23:31	#18 (permalink)
andywright Extrusion Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 154	Thanks for the input...it was because my scene was not oriented quite right for the sun to be visible, and the sun has to be much lower on the settings 'globe' that intuitively I feel it should __________________ Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Win XP Pro, 2 GB DDR 400 MHz Geoforce 6800GT Xtreme 256 MB. Carrara 5 Pro, Hexagon 2.01, Lightwave 8.5 Poser 6, DAZ Studio, Vu 5 Infinite, Bryce 5.5 www.wright-site.co.uk

19th February 2006, 01:26	#2 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	Any chane of posting your .car file to have a look at? Or at least the actual names of the items which you loaded from the browser may help.

19th February 2006, 05:29	#5 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	I have just done a from scratch exercise. Starting with double clicking a sky into the Assembly room then adding a default terrain but can not duplicate the problem. Lets know--- if you keep a record of the exact proceedure--if it happens again.

19th February 2006, 05:47	#7 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	Try using the realistc sky, the regular sky is older technology. Your render problem is that the height of the cloud plane is too low.

19th February 2006, 05:56	#8 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	That is what I was going to say. It is the altitude of the cloud's plane.

19th February 2006, 06:54	#9 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	I so rarely play with clouds I did not give that a thought! Andywright what a lot of fun and learning as always!

21st February 2006, 00:50	#12 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	You need to enable "my scene" instead of "default scene".

21st February 2006, 01:13	#14 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	Something faulty with the .car file Andy. Nothing but blackness!

21st February 2006, 01:50	#16 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	The default scene is always looking straight into the corner of the grid, which is is exactly northwest. If you have rotated the camera any, the "default" view will be different from "my scene" and you will have to keep that in mind when postioning the sun.

21st February 2006, 02:37	#17 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	The bit about saving---does it make any difference to the .car file usability at our end? (Hope someone answers because I never fiddle with the default) Have you tried starting again from scratch with your exercise?--ie. isthe problem able to be duplicated?

23rd February 2006, 03:37	#19 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,097	You say you edited the settings for the sun, and changed it-------??? I thought the default settings for the sun are always in the NW sky!

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