[Vertex Modeler] Symmetry while modeling - Polyloop

cartoonMike · 30th November 2005, 03:54

I really hope this makes it as a dot update (like in Hexagon) feature. There was a poster in the 'rosity forum that was really obsessed with this as a "must have" feature in Carrara 5. While I'm not to that point (there's much more fun things to be obsessed about :D ) I can see his/her point about how symmetry would be good to have.

Sure Hex has Symmetry, and I can export a .car file from hex and use it just fine. But what happens when I have to tweak the mesh? I have to select the mirroring point and make my changes from there, being very careful not to go over the "axis of symmetry." This can get tedious very quickly. And I feel that I lose a lot of spontaneity having to select one side and then the other...

Morph targets would be easier to do with symmetry. eye blinks could be done on one side and then mirrored to the other. Maybe there could be an option to either create a new morph target from the mirror or to join the mirror to the current morph target.

--As a side bar, I've tried to create a half-figure and create morphs on it and thought that a duplicate with symmetry would also dupe the morphs, well in Carrara 4 just the mesh gets copied. No morphs or any thing outside of shading domains got duplicated, if I remember correctly. --

As a character animator/cartoonist this feature would speed things up quite a bit and make creating morphs a lot easier.

If symmetrical morphs can be made using Hex and Carrara, I'd be delighted to know how to do it.

thanks a lot for any feedback

m!ke

Naes3d · 23rd January 2006, 03:14

Gotta bump this, it's one of the few features missing in a powerful app.

Symmetry within the vertex modeler would be killer.

medeamajic · 23rd January 2006, 07:04

I would like duplicate with symetry and the dissociate tool of Hexagon in Carrara's Vertex Modler. I would like to think more features of Hexagon will make it into Carrara's Vertex Modeler in version 6.

AintNoSin · 23rd January 2006, 21:35

What I'd like is a greater integration between the two apps (Hex and Carrara) where if you have both, you can use Hexagon as a modeler from within Carrara.

Aunty Betty · 26th January 2006, 00:25

Maybe this Carrara plug-in may be of interest to some:

Quote:

Project Gemini is a collection of tools to assist symmetrical modeling. No more fumbling around with duplicate with symmetry and weld. Gemini mirrors your modeling, welds the two halves together, and even cleans up the stray vertices in the middle saving you time and trouble.

Download and info at:
http://www.digitalcarversguild.com

Naes3d · 26th January 2006, 01:11

I actually have Project Gemini. What I miss with this is that I have to switch to the Assemble room to get a feel for the model instead of seeing what I am doing updated on the mirrored model in real time.

That is, unless I am doing something wrong...are there any tutorials for Project Gemini? Sometimes I get a 'tear' that runs down the middle of models I am working on with it.

cartoonMike · 26th January 2006, 05:26

I have project Gemini and it is a good plug in, but like Naes3d -- I would like to see the *entire* model being updated.

Also, this may be a glitch on how I use it, but gemini triangulates the model the last time I used it (in '04).

Again, the major thing (to me) is being able to make symetrical morphs and have them saved as one or two separate morphs.

mike

30th November 2005, 03:54	#1 (permalink)
cartoonMike Cube Join Date: May 2005 Location: Walnut Creek Ca USA Posts: 69	[Vertex Modeler] Symmetry while modeling I really hope this makes it as a dot update (like in Hexagon) feature. There was a poster in the 'rosity forum that was really obsessed with this as a "must have" feature in Carrara 5. While I'm not to that point (there's much more fun things to be obsessed about :D ) I can see his/her point about how symmetry would be good to have. Sure Hex has Symmetry, and I can export a .car file from hex and use it just fine. But what happens when I have to tweak the mesh? I have to select the mirroring point and make my changes from there, being very careful not to go over the "axis of symmetry." This can get tedious very quickly. And I feel that I lose a lot of spontaneity having to select one side and then the other... Morph targets would be easier to do with symmetry. eye blinks could be done on one side and then mirrored to the other. Maybe there could be an option to either create a new morph target from the mirror or to join the mirror to the current morph target. --As a side bar, I've tried to create a half-figure and create morphs on it and thought that a duplicate with symmetry would also dupe the morphs, well in Carrara 4 just the mesh gets copied. No morphs or any thing outside of shading domains got duplicated, if I remember correctly. -- As a character animator/cartoonist this feature would speed things up quite a bit and make creating morphs a lot easier. If symmetrical morphs can be made using Hex and Carrara, I'd be delighted to know how to do it. thanks a lot for any feedback m!ke

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23rd January 2006, 03:14	#2 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Gotta bump this, it's one of the few features missing in a powerful app. Symmetry within the vertex modeler would be killer.

23rd January 2006, 07:04	#3 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	I would like duplicate with symetry and the dissociate tool of Hexagon in Carrara's Vertex Modler. I would like to think more features of Hexagon will make it into Carrara's Vertex Modeler in version 6.

23rd January 2006, 21:35	#4 (permalink)
AintNoSin Cube Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lake Forest, CA Posts: 71	What I'd like is a greater integration between the two apps (Hex and Carrara) where if you have both, you can use Hexagon as a modeler from within Carrara.

26th January 2006, 01:11	#6 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	I actually have Project Gemini. What I miss with this is that I have to switch to the Assemble room to get a feel for the model instead of seeing what I am doing updated on the mirrored model in real time. That is, unless I am doing something wrong...are there any tutorials for Project Gemini? Sometimes I get a 'tear' that runs down the middle of models I am working on with it.

26th January 2006, 05:26	#7 (permalink)
cartoonMike Cube Join Date: May 2005 Location: Walnut Creek Ca USA Posts: 69	I have project Gemini and it is a good plug in, but like Naes3d -- I would like to see the entire model being updated. Also, this may be a glitch on how I use it, but gemini triangulates the model the last time I used it (in '04). Again, the major thing (to me) is being able to make symetrical morphs and have them saved as one or two separate morphs. mike