No doubt they will remove this from the Daz forums. - Polyloop

mykyl1966 · 15th November 2007, 23:20

Read my post further down to see my apology to Craig Randall for my insult to him.

Mike R

CarlLydon · 15th November 2007, 23:37

Wow, I'm surprised that you can duplicate something that's constrained in the first place! You'd think that the constrained object wouldn't want to move to where it needs to go, which may be part of the problem?

I'm struggling with a much more basic problem that I did a bug report on. The update installer for my intel mac doesn't work. I have C6 and C5, and the updater asks me to choose the folder, but then there's no button to choose a folder with! There's no way to do it! If I put my C5 in the trash the updaters run but then my version number stays the same; no update for me!

I spent like 40 minutes writing it up and doing screen-grabs with notes and everything just to have them pretty much not believe me. It seems like they don't even really read the reports because they'll say something like "Well, if there's no button then that means you only have one copy" without reading the fact that I DO have another copy, and the updater COMPLAINED about it. A few other reports I made were like that.

So, I understand your frustration. I'm not reporting any more bugs because it's a waste of my time. I'm glad that they do updates, just wish I could benefit from them.

Another thing to keep in mind is that programming this stuff must be mind-blowingly hard, like you'd need some very advanced math knowledge and programming skills to do ANYTHING like this.

But I wat an installer that works becasue my C6 crashes 20 times a day:-(

smudgee · 15th November 2007, 23:38

tell us if they remove it, i think youv'e every right to be to be angry .
I dont know much about bones mate, but im interested in how the bug reports are dealt with,...or not dealt with.

mykyl1966 · 15th November 2007, 23:44

The thing I found was if I remove the constraint on the shoulder only then the rest of the bones along the chain duplicate perfectly. His answer of your skeleton is not symmetrical was nonsensical. Of course its not symmetrical. Thats what the blasted tool is meant to do.

.

Mike R

mykyl1966 · 16th November 2007, 01:45

Right. To show that I am NOT unreasonable when given a full answer to the query here is what he said and following those tips I can now do what I expected.

I want to apologize for my angry insults towards him. That was pathetic of me. Thank you for the help in solving this issue.

Insults aside, the skeleton you sent me is not symmetrical because it has bones for the left antler as well as bones for the right antler; therefore the skeleton is not symmetrical.

That said, this is still not a bug. Since you never specifically said what bone you were selecting to perform the duplication, I'm going to take a guess that you selected the Left Shoulder. This bone has a constraint on it. If you duplicate that bone you are also duplicating that constraint. The duplicated bones try to move into the symmetrical position, but they cant' because they have to obey the constraint.

Try the following:
1. Select the Left_Shoulder
2. Click "Use Constraints" in the 3DView title bar to turn them off temporarily
3. Select Edit > Duplicate with symmetry
4. Select the Z axis (there is a known issue with that dialog where the Z axis is the default selection but it shows the X axis is by mistake)
--> You'll notice that your duplicate is now in place with the constraint

5. Click "Use Constraints" again to turn them back on.
--> You'll notice that the arm follows the constraints as you would expect.

CarlLydon · 16th November 2007, 02:15

Nice, you got a solution

Thomas · 16th November 2007, 11:02

Mike R. Please, can you explain? I don't read the DAZ forums anymore and I don't udnerstand your subject.
I don't want to see any kind of fight between two forums because one don't want to post on the other. Polyloop isn't here to do that.
Please, clarify, thank you!

mykyl1966 · 18th November 2007, 23:02

Thomas feel free to wipe this thread from the forums. I was in a very bad mood that day suitably chastised when I received an answer to my problem.

Cheers

Mike R

Thomas · 18th November 2007, 23:03

It's not that I want to remove it or not.. I want to understand first.... can you explain please?

22nd November 2007, 04:23

Things are fine the issue was resolved nothing was delete at DAZ 3D forums.
It just would take longer to explain it.

Thomas · 22nd November 2007, 14:55

Then, can I ahve the thread at daz forums?

15th November 2007, 23:20	#1 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	No doubt they will remove this from the Daz forums. Read my post further down to see my apology to Craig Randall for my insult to him. Mike R Attached Thumbnails __________________ I dont believe everything I think. Last edited by mykyl1966; 16th November 2007 at 01:54.

15th November 2007, 23:37	#2 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Wow, I'm surprised that you can duplicate something that's constrained in the first place! You'd think that the constrained object wouldn't want to move to where it needs to go, which may be part of the problem? I'm struggling with a much more basic problem that I did a bug report on. The update installer for my intel mac doesn't work. I have C6 and C5, and the updater asks me to choose the folder, but then there's no button to choose a folder with! There's no way to do it! If I put my C5 in the trash the updaters run but then my version number stays the same; no update for me! I spent like 40 minutes writing it up and doing screen-grabs with notes and everything just to have them pretty much not believe me. It seems like they don't even really read the reports because they'll say something like "Well, if there's no button then that means you only have one copy" without reading the fact that I DO have another copy, and the updater COMPLAINED about it. A few other reports I made were like that. So, I understand your frustration. I'm not reporting any more bugs because it's a waste of my time. I'm glad that they do updates, just wish I could benefit from them. Another thing to keep in mind is that programming this stuff must be mind-blowingly hard, like you'd need some very advanced math knowledge and programming skills to do ANYTHING like this. But I wat an installer that works becasue my C6 crashes 20 times a day:-( __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/ Last edited by CarlLydon; 15th November 2007 at 23:56.

15th November 2007, 23:44	#4 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	The thing I found was if I remove the constraint on the shoulder only then the rest of the bones along the chain duplicate perfectly. His answer of your skeleton is not symmetrical was nonsensical. Of course its not symmetrical. Thats what the blasted tool is meant to do. . Mike R __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

16th November 2007, 01:45	#5 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	Right. To show that I am NOT unreasonable when given a full answer to the query here is what he said and following those tips I can now do what I expected. I want to apologize for my angry insults towards him. That was pathetic of me. Thank you for the help in solving this issue. Insults aside, the skeleton you sent me is not symmetrical because it has bones for the left antler as well as bones for the right antler; therefore the skeleton is not symmetrical. That said, this is still not a bug. Since you never specifically said what bone you were selecting to perform the duplication, I'm going to take a guess that you selected the Left Shoulder. This bone has a constraint on it. If you duplicate that bone you are also duplicating that constraint. The duplicated bones try to move into the symmetrical position, but they cant' because they have to obey the constraint. Try the following: 1. Select the Left_Shoulder 2. Click "Use Constraints" in the 3DView title bar to turn them off temporarily 3. Select Edit > Duplicate with symmetry 4. Select the Z axis (there is a known issue with that dialog where the Z axis is the default selection but it shows the X axis is by mistake) --> You'll notice that your duplicate is now in place with the constraint 5. Click "Use Constraints" again to turn them back on. --> You'll notice that the arm follows the constraints as you would expect. __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

16th November 2007, 02:15	#6 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Nice, you got a solution __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/

15th November 2007, 23:38	#3 (permalink)
smudgee Cube Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 81	tell us if they remove it, i think youv'e every right to be to be angry . I dont know much about bones mate, but im interested in how the bug reports are dealt with,...or not dealt with.

16th November 2007, 11:02	#7 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,230	Mike R. Please, can you explain? I don't read the DAZ forums anymore and I don't udnerstand your subject. I don't want to see any kind of fight between two forums because one don't want to post on the other. Polyloop isn't here to do that. Please, clarify, thank you! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

18th November 2007, 23:02	#8 (permalink)
mykyl1966 Box modeling Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 278	Thomas feel free to wipe this thread from the forums. I was in a very bad mood that day suitably chastised when I received an answer to my problem. Cheers Mike R __________________ I dont believe everything I think.

18th November 2007, 23:03	#9 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,230	It's not that I want to remove it or not.. I want to understand first.... can you explain please? __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

22nd November 2007, 04:23	#10 (permalink)
Ringo Monfort Guest Posts: n/a	Things are fine the issue was resolved nothing was delete at DAZ 3D forums. It just would take longer to explain it.

22nd November 2007, 14:55	#11 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,230	Then, can I ahve the thread at daz forums? __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

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