Isometric Camera doesn't work in C6 - Polyloop

CarlLydon · 21st October 2007, 04:49

the Isometric Camera doesn't work in C6. If you switch from conical to isometric, the production area doesn't render accurately, it renders the area you see when you were in Conical, which is a very different area.

chrisd · 21st October 2007, 05:49

Hi Carl,

Can you post some pics and/or screenshots showing what you are describing?

As far as I can tell, the isometric camera in C6 on my system is behaving as I would expect.

Chris

three3dguy · 25th October 2007, 03:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisd

Hi Carl,

Can you post some pics and/or screenshots showing what you are describing?

As far as I can tell, the isometric camera in C6 on my system is behaving as I would expect.

Chris

well doesn't that depend on if he had upgraded or not? Becus my isometric camera sometime distort to a weird out of shape fisheye view.

CarlLydon · 29th October 2007, 19:39

Yea, and I can't upgrade because the installer doesn't see to want to work on my system. It's hard to fix the bugs when one of the bugs is that the patch installers don't work.

CarlLydon · 29th October 2007, 20:11

Here is a sample of what I am talking about:

rickei · 29th October 2007, 20:47

Carl, not sure whats happening on your end.??? but switching camera types has been a little buggy since several versions back(at least it has been on my Mac). I usually create a new isometric camera, and place it in the same spot as my rendering camera.

as for the fisheye,distortion 3dguy, I would suspect that you have used the "zoom" tool...this is a 2d tool to be used in the "left" "right", etc windows, and not in the perspective window. You should physically move the camera in and out, and not zoom.

CarlLydon · 29th October 2007, 22:38

Hmmmm, well, C6 is the first time I've encountered this problem and I use the isometric camera allot. I took your advice and made a new isometric camera and it didn't work.

bwtr · 30th October 2007, 01:09

These are the three renders I get--Conical,isometric, spherical.

rickei · 30th October 2007, 01:27

you're right Carl, just tested it in C6, and it is MUCH screwier than it has ever been in the past. I tried a few different things, and no luck. I have not installed the 6.2 update either, but I will tonight and see if it helps. I'll let you know

bwtr · 30th October 2007, 03:16

My effort was with 6.02, that may be an answer?

fpfrdn3 · 30th October 2007, 07:00

Im still new to C6, but did you change the camera to render, in the render screen,...Output tab->Rendering camera? I have no problems here at all with cameras, except that you have to watch out when using multiple cameras so as not to clip the object with the production frame(black cut outs of objects where pro frame overlaps). Hope this helps.

bwtr · 30th October 2007, 07:43

I have fiddled around also. Unless you are doing something "wierd"? I can not see any problems at all compared to C5!

rickei · 30th October 2007, 15:31

Same problems in 6.0.2

Brian, according to your screenshot you have the same problem. look at doc4.bmp...is that framed EXACTLY the same in the assembly room? because, it is considerably smaller in your rendering. this is what we are talking about.

bwtr · 31st October 2007, 02:02

That was for the Spherical camera though. I did not think that was in the list of problems earlier?

I just checked out Carrara5---tested the same as the Carrara6 test image posted by me?

fpfrdn3 · 31st October 2007, 06:08

The only thing that gives me the zoomed in view from isometric, is shrinking the production frame smaller(to fit in view). If I leave it at a default value when the camera is created everything is ok, but I can't see frame edges then.

I temporarily switch to conical in the General tab with the isometric camera selected, to get a production frame in view, setup shot, then switch back to isometric and everything renders fine(with render camera set to isometric in Render room). Im sure theres something easier with better control in the manual about this though?

bwtr · 31st October 2007, 06:50

This may be the dumbest question for 1970.
Why would one use the isometric camera when you can simply zoom in and out with the scroll wheel using the regular default conical camera anyway?(using the 4 screen view!)

medeamajic · 31st October 2007, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwtr

This may be the dumbest question for 1970.
Why would one use the isometric camera when you can simply zoom in and out with the scroll wheel using the regular default conical camera anyway?(using the 4 screen view!)

The isometric camera gets rid of the vanishing point. I think that is the camera we are talking about. You can use the camera properties in the properties panel to control the zoom in and out. The vanishing point will not change like it would with the conical camera if you use the controls from the properties panel. I have had to do this in the past and I hope it still works in version 6.

bwtr · 31st October 2007, 08:14

Sorry if I am having a thick day.
I can not percieve any working difference between this Isometric set up compared to the regular default Conical one

I can use all the normal controls--- universal manipulator/including the zoom wheel?

bwtr · 31st October 2007, 08:33

This is in Carrara 5 which is identical to Carrara6 for me! Would anyone ever render in Isometic camera?
It seems I have a charmed life by sticking with the conical!

three3dguy · 31st October 2007, 08:47

Thanks for the info rickei I also saw (popup tip) tis from the C6 start up box it kinda
told me this as well.

21st October 2007, 04:49	#1 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Isometric Camera doesn't work in C6 the Isometric Camera doesn't work in C6. If you switch from conical to isometric, the production area doesn't render accurately, it renders the area you see when you were in Conical, which is a very different area. __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/

29th October 2007, 19:39	#4 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Yea, and I can't upgrade because the installer doesn't see to want to work on my system. It's hard to fix the bugs when one of the bugs is that the patch installers don't work. __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/

29th October 2007, 20:11	#5 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Here is a sample image Here is a sample of what I am talking about: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/

29th October 2007, 22:38	#7 (permalink)
CarlLydon Extrusion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 182	Hmmmm, well, C6 is the first time I've encountered this problem and I use the isometric camera allot. I took your advice and made a new isometric camera and it didn't work. __________________ Carl J. Lydon games • cd • illustration • 3-d • medical • animation http://www.chamberofchat.com/ http://isointeractive.com/

30th October 2007, 01:09	#8 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	These are the three renders I get--Conical,isometric, spherical. Attached Thumbnails

21st October 2007, 05:49	#2 (permalink)
chrisd Cube Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Leominster, MA USA Posts: 81	Hi Carl, Can you post some pics and/or screenshots showing what you are describing? As far as I can tell, the isometric camera in C6 on my system is behaving as I would expect. Chris

29th October 2007, 20:47	#6 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	Carl, not sure whats happening on your end.??? but switching camera types has been a little buggy since several versions back(at least it has been on my Mac). I usually create a new isometric camera, and place it in the same spot as my rendering camera. as for the fisheye,distortion 3dguy, I would suspect that you have used the "zoom" tool...this is a 2d tool to be used in the "left" "right", etc windows, and not in the perspective window. You should physically move the camera in and out, and not zoom.

30th October 2007, 01:27	#9 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	you're right Carl, just tested it in C6, and it is MUCH screwier than it has ever been in the past. I tried a few different things, and no luck. I have not installed the 6.2 update either, but I will tonight and see if it helps. I'll let you know

30th October 2007, 03:16	#10 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	My effort was with 6.02, that may be an answer?

30th October 2007, 07:00	#11 (permalink)
fpfrdn3 Spline Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA, CA Posts: 30	Im still new to C6, but did you change the camera to render, in the render screen,...Output tab->Rendering camera? I have no problems here at all with cameras, except that you have to watch out when using multiple cameras so as not to clip the object with the production frame(black cut outs of objects where pro frame overlaps). Hope this helps. Last edited by fpfrdn3; 30th October 2007 at 07:27.

30th October 2007, 07:43	#12 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	I have fiddled around also. Unless you are doing something "wierd"? I can not see any problems at all compared to C5!

30th October 2007, 15:31	#13 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	Same problems in 6.0.2 Brian, according to your screenshot you have the same problem. look at doc4.bmp...is that framed EXACTLY the same in the assembly room? because, it is considerably smaller in your rendering. this is what we are talking about. Attached Thumbnails

31st October 2007, 02:02	#14 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	That was for the Spherical camera though. I did not think that was in the list of problems earlier? I just checked out Carrara5---tested the same as the Carrara6 test image posted by me?

31st October 2007, 06:08	#15 (permalink)
fpfrdn3 Spline Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA, CA Posts: 30	The only thing that gives me the zoomed in view from isometric, is shrinking the production frame smaller(to fit in view). If I leave it at a default value when the camera is created everything is ok, but I can't see frame edges then. I temporarily switch to conical in the General tab with the isometric camera selected, to get a production frame in view, setup shot, then switch back to isometric and everything renders fine(with render camera set to isometric in Render room). Im sure theres something easier with better control in the manual about this though?

31st October 2007, 06:50	#16 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	This may be the dumbest question for 1970. Why would one use the isometric camera when you can simply zoom in and out with the scroll wheel using the regular default conical camera anyway?(using the 4 screen view!) Last edited by bwtr; 31st October 2007 at 07:36.

31st October 2007, 08:14	#18 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	Sorry if I am having a thick day. I can not percieve any working difference between this Isometric set up compared to the regular default Conical one I can use all the normal controls--- universal manipulator/including the zoom wheel? Attached Thumbnails

31st October 2007, 08:33	#19 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	This is in Carrara 5 which is identical to Carrara6 for me! Would anyone ever render in Isometic camera? It seems I have a charmed life by sticking with the conical! Attached Thumbnails

31st October 2007, 08:47	#20 (permalink)
three3dguy Ray Harryhausen Maddness Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 45	Thanks for the info rickei I also saw (popup tip) tis from the C6 start up box it kinda told me this as well.

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