Wondering about hair... - Polyloop

Nate Owens · 14th September 2007, 05:51

I haven't tried this yet (and it may be totally wacky)... but...
I was wondering if you did a C6 model with hair all neatly combed and coiffured, would it be possible to export your model with hair as an .obj file and have the hair in that file?

What would you get if anything?

Couerl · 14th September 2007, 05:57

Won't work Nate, Sorry..

bwtr · 14th September 2007, 06:39

But?--surely there are some file types that it can be exported into!

Nate Owens · 14th September 2007, 06:45

thanks, Courel.
I don't know the mechanics of the hair, but I doubt that it is 'real' geometry...?

Couerl · 14th September 2007, 06:56

It's part geometry (guide hairs) and part shaders and interpolation I think and just plain old nice programming. The only file format it will export to is .car, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.

bwtr · 14th September 2007, 08:25

Thanks.

Naes3d · 14th September 2007, 18:58

My biggest unanswered question about hair is how it looks when rendered through the NPR or Toon Pro.

Couerl · 14th September 2007, 19:37

If you want a toon output it sort-of defeats the purpose of using realistic hair. I havn't tried it myself, but I assume it "works".

mon_stdnt · 15th September 2007, 14:25

I have a question about the new hair feature.---

You know in the tutorial of the surface replicator, were you use a black/white map too tell where to generate the trees,
well I was wondering if the new hair feature has that same option aswell?

Patrick210 · 15th September 2007, 16:09

Yes, it does.

Naes3d · 16th September 2007, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

If you want a toon output it sort-of defeats the purpose of using realistic hair. I havn't tried it myself, but I assume it "works".

That all depends on what you are trying to do. There are other applications for dynamic hair other than creating hair.

And there are at least a couple of reason that one might want to use an NPR on hair for the purposes of rendering hair

Anime/Manga Cel shaded look
http://www.maxon.net/pages/images/pr.../bobtronic.jpg

Faux Media
http://www.maxon.net/pages/images/pr...alestrieri.jpg

Or maybe just to get an effect that may not be as easy to achieve through other means. I guess I will find out when I get my copy and just try to be creative...

Couerl · 16th September 2007, 19:57

Okay then, I did two tests, first is NPR, toon III in Carrara...Looks not so great and the second is Toon! Pro, much better. Both using default settings, default scene settings and the simplest hair-do I could make in twenty seconds.

Wesgraphics · 16th September 2007, 20:55

I suppose if the wrote it with a consortium file format like FBX, then it would export.

The again, other 3D software would have to use the same "hair" standards. I haven't read anything that says this is happening.

Naes3d · 17th September 2007, 08:54

Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for doing the test, it looks like NPR may not do a lot for the Hair in renders. Maybe a little tweaking tho...

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mon_stdnt Always learning Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 446	I have a question about the new hair feature.--- You know in the tutorial of the surface replicator, were you use a black/white map too tell where to generate the trees, well I was wondering if the new hair feature has that same option aswell? __________________ www.rgamarra.com

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Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Okay then, I did two tests, first is NPR, toon III in Carrara...Looks not so great and the second is Toon! Pro, much better. Both using default settings, default scene settings and the simplest hair-do I could make in twenty seconds. Attached Thumbnails

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14th September 2007, 05:57	#2 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Won't work Nate, Sorry..

14th September 2007, 06:39	#3 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	But?--surely there are some file types that it can be exported into!

14th September 2007, 06:56	#5 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	It's part geometry (guide hairs) and part shaders and interpolation I think and just plain old nice programming. The only file format it will export to is .car, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.

14th September 2007, 08:25	#6 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	Thanks.

14th September 2007, 18:58	#7 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	My biggest unanswered question about hair is how it looks when rendered through the NPR or Toon Pro.

14th September 2007, 19:37	#8 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	If you want a toon output it sort-of defeats the purpose of using realistic hair. I havn't tried it myself, but I assume it "works".

15th September 2007, 16:09	#10 (permalink)
Patrick210 Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 549	Yes, it does.

16th September 2007, 20:55	#13 (permalink)
Wesgraphics Please, check your email!!! Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 84	I suppose if the wrote it with a consortium file format like FBX, then it would export. The again, other 3D software would have to use the same "hair" standards. I haven't read anything that says this is happening.

17th September 2007, 08:54	#14 (permalink)
Naes3d Box modeling Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 231	Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for doing the test, it looks like NPR may not do a lot for the Hair in renders. Maybe a little tweaking tho...