What do you long time users think? C6 yea or nay?

[Naes3d]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

Are you for real? What would people think of Daz software if all the Daz and Poser models were done with LightWave? I think it would be good makreting for Daz to start modeling with their own products (Carrara Hexagon) exclusively.

Exactly. How can you continue to claim that you are a producer of professional software if you can't count on it for your own in house projects?

While I still believe that the C6 upgrade was pretty well rounded for all users, DAZ went 'the extra mile' when it came to making Carrara a real solution for content handlers (making Carrara compatible with products they produce is good business though. I don't fault them for it).

For Carrara 7 (perhaps even 6.5), I would like to see them go that 'extra mile' for the modeling purists.

[medeamajic]

Like many others here I am not a content fan. If I were I would not have bought Carrara. I use to think Poser was the bomb. Poser is a great program for rookies of 3-D animation because no rigging or morphing is needed by the end user. It is fun to use but you soon find the limitations. If Carrara 1.0 had bones, skeletons, morphing and Poser Content support I doubt many people would have opted for Poser 4 over Carrara 2 for figure animation. I think Carrara is going to continue to get better content support but I also think it will get better and better over all. I think many Carrara users started figure animation with Poser becuase of the ease of use. Now with Carrara they can get into figure animation very easy with Carrara but they can also let Carrara take them to the next level (best of both worlds). The down side is that some people might see Carrara as a Daz Doll House only program even though it is a full fledge 3-D animation program.

[steama]

Originally Posted by Naes3d

Exactly. How can you continue to claim that you are a producer of professional software if you can't count on it for your own in house projects?

Maybe the use of DAZ applications does not matter to DAZ regarding the their content creation? Maybe content creation workflow matters more to DAZ than forcing designers to use Hex or C6P? Maybe DAZ aquires software to more-or-less adapt to push their content? I don't know.

First: Carrara 6 is good for what it is good for (quite a bit IMHO for the dollar). Carrara for modeling has not been very effective until CP5. Now 6 adds a little more. IMHO modeling in C3 and C4 were not that good for modeling. I doesn't matter if 'some' premade DAZ items were created in C3 or C4 IMHO there have always been better ways than these Carrara versions ever offered. Many people have proven you can actually model with a club and nobody can argue that.

Second: DAZ is a newbie to being a 'real' developer of any consequence. From what I observe most of the DAZ software has been developed to drive content sales and is either given away, or sold at very low prices. I feel Hexagon and Carrara users are much more demanding about the actual software than typical DAZ users. One thing to remember is the fund$ are there at DAZ to make Carrara a real contenter at any level should the owners decide that direction is the way they wish to work it or they may have a totally different perspective than what any of the users suspect. Nobody knows their true strategy but a hard real fact is DAZ is flush with with fund$.

C6 is not too bad:
Sure there are some annoying little bugs but IMHO it is a typical upgrade with useful/good and moderate features. Of course there is new tilt toward DAZ content. A good thing is Carrara has the same development team. Carrara is less expensive (for me anyway). Things are happening at DAZ for Carrara are very much the usual way it has always been with Carrara.

I love Carrara and think it is becoming more useful as a modeler but still is no Hexagon. For everything else it can't be beat for what you pay.

Peace,
Stan

[Naes3d]

I understand what you are saying steama, but the fact that DAZ is a content producer should be used to their advantage when trying to sell content production software. DAZ may be noobs when it come to software development but not to the concept of development as a whole.

Victoria is practically DAZ' .swf or .pdf. Everyone in this industry has at least heard of Vicky and could probably spot her in a crowd of other 3D models. There are few better ways to advertise than with a near ubiquitous billboard.

[Wася]

They used to develop content before they got Eovia. So what? Use the time machine and redevelop all they did? And what next? Kick out all artists who used LW, who use modo? Cool.

[medeamajic]

Wcar,

Daz can keep Vicki as is but all new Daz models should be designed with Hexagon or Carrara exclusivley. Freelance artist can use what they want. It should not be hard to comprehend the implications of using the competitons software to design Daz models. Why would I buy Dell computers for my design and animation studios if I am the sole owner of Sparta Computers? It lets people know my computers are medicore for graphics. If I don't use Sparta Computers why would you?

[Wася]

Analogies prove nothing. And for a person who does not care about the content you care about content too much.

I saw in many interviews that many studios allow their artist to use any tool for modeling. The whole thing is made in the only and the one tool, but models - whatever you want. And that's smart, because the artists feel themselves more comfortable.
And enforcing DAZ staff to use "the proper" tools menas for DAZ to develop themselves a problems by their own hands. Modeler does not supposed to be a beta-tester. Beside making and selling content DAZ continue to selling third-party applications like modo, Zbrush, LightWave, Poser et al. So what? Does it prove the weakness of Hex and Carrara also? Or, maybe it's just a way to make money and run business?

I know that having Hex does not make me Thomas. I know that having modo does not makes me those guy (sorry, don't know the name) who made V4. Things are made by people and not by tools. That's why I don't care what did they use for making V4. It does not affect at all my decision to buy furhter versions of Carrara and Hex.

[jbshorty]

in the end, what's the difference how people perceive your program of choice? Most clients only care that your work is high quality. They don't care what program you did it in. And employers can train you to use their software... As for me, people are still more impressed with what i did using Microsoft Word's drawing tools than what i do now using sophisticated 3D programs...

shorty

[steama]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

Daz can keep Vicki as is but all new Daz models should be designed with Hexagon or Carrara exclusivley.

That thinking is crazy IMHO.

Carrara is great. I love it because it suits what I need to acomplish. That said I would never require another artist to utilize my workflow for any reason. After all we are just talking about tools here. Use the best tool for the job at hand.

I hear what you are saying but IMHO DAZ is using better tools for their content creation than two of the tools they sell (Hex and Carrara). There are reasons these two applications are used very little in the professional 3D industries like film CGI and game creation. I think Victoria 4 is a fantastic work. I look at the creation of Victoria 4 as an entirely separate issue than how or what DAZ does with Carrara and Hexagon.

I do not think it matters one single iota to individuals buying DAZ models in what application they were made in as long as the purchaser enjoys the product.

Designers and the tools they choose to use are an entirely different topic.

STAND-UP FOR THE RIGHT OF ALL DESIGNERS TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY USE!

Peace,
Stan

[mayito7777]

I drive a Ford but i would like a Mercedez!!!

[Pete Exxtreme]

As this turn into a flamming war, the thread is closed