C5 plugin for Photoshop CS3?? - Polyloop

tkane18 · 28th March 2007, 18:56

www.adobe.com/products/plugins/photoshop/

The above link has Carrara 5, Carrara 3D Basics 2.0 and Daz 3D Studio listed under 3D plugins.
Does anyone know what this means?

jbshorty · 28th March 2007, 19:54

CS3 is reported to be able to load a 3D model into a PSD file. You can position/scale/rotate the model (and i think also adjust the lighting). And then rasterize the 3D layer down to 2D. I guess they have added some type of native support for Carrara files. But i'm not 100% sure, as i'm not planning to upgrade my CS1 anytime soon...

shorty

bwtr · 29th March 2007, 03:42

Look at the Adobe site for all the CS3 Suite stuff. 3D painting is now part of Photoshop etc. I have been using the CS3 Beta (not the Special with 3d) for some time. Just with that version alone the improvements since CS1 are amazing. Have a look at the CS3 Suites--several versions--what is available within those groups is mouthwatering to say the least.

Couerl · 29th March 2007, 08:13

Lots of interesting things to speculate about... The guys up there in the Ivory towers of Adobe must have an eye on some kind of 3D solution eventually and no doubt they could swallow up some mid-market 3D companies. Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology, Canoma maybe? For a long time now I think... Someone who's been around longer would know more about it, but I do know Daz is going to the Adobe show in Boston and CS3 and Acrobat will both have some 3D capability. The exact specs I am unsure about, but I'm guessing it will support CAD mostly, since that's where the industrial 3D dough is. Anyway, the future is exciting for 3D I think and I look forward to the day when I can open a model in Photoshop and paint away on it just like I would in Hex-2 (except a lot better maybe)..
The gulf between 2D and 3D may narrow down a lot in the next few years and that would be great. I have all the modeling power I could want now for the most part and hopefully the rest will become as nice.

bwtr · 29th March 2007, 08:29

http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.c....jsp?id=118679

WOW! A built in plug in for Daz3D is for sure. I guess that Carrara will have, at least, a save to that format built in.

29th March 2007, 16:05

I am also using the public beta version of CS3 and I agree.

I will be upgrading to CS3 Extended to compliment my 3D and video editing needs.

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Originally Posted by bwtr

Look at the Adobe site for all the CS3 Suite stuff. 3D painting is now part of Photoshop etc. I have been using the CS3 Beta (not the Special with 3d) for some time. Just with that version alone the improvements since CS1 are amazing. Have a look at the CS3 Suites--several versions--what is available within those groups is mouthwatering to say the least.

sadot · 29th March 2007, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Couerl

..Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology...

Is that true?

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Originally Posted by Couerl

...the future is exciting for 3D...

agree..right now it´s a great time to the 3D good video cards 4 cores procesors a lot of ram

great aplications . . .

jval · 29th March 2007, 19:42

>..Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology...Is that true?

No. His second guess was correct- Canoma.

- Jack

rickei · 29th March 2007, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Couerl

The guys up there in the Ivory towers of Adobe must have an eye on some kind of 3D solution eventually and no doubt they could swallow up some mid-market 3D companies.

they could swallow any company they want
Maybe DAZ??? Adobe could probably buy then without even having to get a purchase order...just take it out of petty cash!

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Originally Posted by Couerl

Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology, Canoma maybe?

Yes Canoma, but also Kai Krause - KPT, offered 3d plugins years ago that were absolutely amazing BTW.
the short list of ones that Kai Krause(former owner of Metacreations Ray Dream) are
KPT SceneBuilder - you could actually model in 3d with this one.
KPT Gel - similar to 2.5d paint in zbrush - very cool
KPT SkyEffects - very cool. sort of a HDRI illumination way of lighting an image
KPT Projector - projected 2d image onto a 3d space
I still have my Kais Power Tool's collection around somewhere
these plugins used Bryce and Ray Dream technology.

Couerl · 29th March 2007, 23:43

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Originally Posted by rickei

they could swallow any company they want
Maybe DAZ??? Adobe could probably buy then without even having to get a purchase order...just take it out of petty cash!

Carrarashop, Adobagon? Maybe someday, but I have mixed feelings about this sort of scenerio and like the fact that they are held by a mid-level house and won't turn into $1,600.00 suites overnight or anything. On the other hand, I want what's best for the guys who make the programs, they deserve whatever that is.

I read where CS3 will import .obj to paint on, but I didn't see any mention of it exporting back out to render or anything. I wonder how all that works.

rickei · 30th March 2007, 00:02

Adobagon

I would think that if Adobe wanted to get into 3D, DAZ would be a perfect fit. They could buy the software, and let DAZ keep the content. and spin out a nifty little 3D creative suite, with a small amount of work. and have it play nice with CS3. they could also snag VectoStyle, so that it will play nice with Adobe Flash, and Dreamweaver.( it's going to take a while to get used to saying Adobe Flash) They flipped the Macromedia suite rather quickly and the price stayed about the same, so I would think they could do the same with Carrara/Hex.

I don't think you can export the models after painting on them...I think its more for incorporating 3d oblects into your 2D works, and not the other way around.

I too want the dev.'s to have a great job and make lots of money!!!

Couerl · 30th March 2007, 01:12

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Originally Posted by rickei

I don't think you can export the models after painting on them...I think its more for incorporating 3d oblects into your 2D works, and not the other way around.

Well that sucks, someone should do something about that.

rickei · 30th March 2007, 04:27

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Originally Posted by Couerl

Well that sucks, someone should do something about that.

someone did...I think they call it Zbrush

Couerl · 30th March 2007, 06:51

Well I had heard you say that it turns everything into 2.5D and I would want to just paint the stuff and render it in Carrara. That's the goal for me. You think Zbrush 3 will fit the bill? I'm not necessarily a big fan of the micrdisplaced raisin face look either, so I doubt I'll go into such detail, but a good solid model painting application would be helpful to me I think.

rickei · 30th March 2007, 07:08

You can export obj files. and render in anything you would like! the UV maps are REALY funky if you open them in a image editor, but they work fine in carrara.

My biggest problem is that It's just really easy to drop your object into 2.5D mode while you're working on it. It's a really difficult work flow to grasp, but it's obvious that it's well worth the effort, I wish I had a few weeks to just indulge myself in ZBrush and just get a handle on it. It's one of those apps that once it clicks... you're golden!

bwtr · 30th March 2007, 07:37

This should be read.

medeamajic · 30th March 2007, 11:17

Adobe needs a 3-D program to help compete against Avid/XSI. Netwek has Lightwave and Speed Edit. Adobe could work wonders with better integration for Carrara and AE. Adobe may have droped the ball with Canoma but it is my understanding that Canoma did not work all that well. Should Adobe buy Carrara and Hexagon I think the user base would double within a year with out any stupid Platinum Club gimmicks. Adobe has better markteting skills.

bwtr · 30th March 2007, 12:56

If Adobe had a list of potential 3D apps to "buy" I think you would have used a ream of paper before Carrara/Hexagon were found on the list!

An Adobe/Autodesk merger? Well why not!

rickei · 30th March 2007, 18:52

med,
You're right, Adobe is definitely going after the film industry. Don't forget about Apples' Shake... that really threw Adobe for a loop. It has reduced VFX studios reliance on Photoshop to next to nothing, and at $499 single or $129 per seat volume price, VFX houses bought a copy for everybody. Look at what WETA Digital did/are doing with it.

Brian, I would think that the list of apps would not be that long. I don't think Adobe is very interested in creating geometry, just imagery, so the simplicity of C5's vertex, spline and metaball modelers would be more than enough. Also apps like 3DMax and XSI are not cross platform so that would take them off the list.
Carrara would actually be a good fit. and with KPT/Metacreations history with Photoshop, they definitely know that Carrara exists.
I guess anythings possible, and speculation will get us nowhere. I am curious though

rickei · 31st March 2007, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couerl

Well I had heard you say that it turns everything into 2.5D and I would want to just paint the stuff and render it in Carrara. That's the goal for me. You think Zbrush 3 will fit the bill? I'm not necessarily a big fan of the micrdisplaced raisin face look either, so I doubt I'll go into such detail, but a good solid model painting application would be helpful to me I think.

I had a few minutes so
here is a 15 minute example.

I modeled a little USB drive in Hex.
save as OBJ
import as a brush into zbrush.
paint the words on it
save brush as OBJ
open in Carrara, position light render.

this would have been a simple model to UV map but you get the point.

28th March 2007, 18:56	#1 (permalink)
tkane18 Vertex Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 29	C5 plugin for Photoshop CS3?? www.adobe.com/products/plugins/photoshop/ The above link has Carrara 5, Carrara 3D Basics 2.0 and Daz 3D Studio listed under 3D plugins. Does anyone know what this means?

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bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	This should be read. Attached Thumbnails

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medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	Adobe needs a 3-D program to help compete against Avid/XSI. Netwek has Lightwave and Speed Edit. Adobe could work wonders with better integration for Carrara and AE. Adobe may have droped the ball with Canoma but it is my understanding that Canoma did not work all that well. Should Adobe buy Carrara and Hexagon I think the user base would double within a year with out any stupid Platinum Club gimmicks. Adobe has better markteting skills. Last edited by medeamajic; 31st March 2007 at 13:06.

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28th March 2007, 19:54	#2 (permalink)
jbshorty proud to be a nurb Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: only in your mind Posts: 1,362	CS3 is reported to be able to load a 3D model into a PSD file. You can position/scale/rotate the model (and i think also adjust the lighting). And then rasterize the 3D layer down to 2D. I guess they have added some type of native support for Carrara files. But i'm not 100% sure, as i'm not planning to upgrade my CS1 anytime soon... shorty

29th March 2007, 03:42	#3 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	Look at the Adobe site for all the CS3 Suite stuff. 3D painting is now part of Photoshop etc. I have been using the CS3 Beta (not the Special with 3d) for some time. Just with that version alone the improvements since CS1 are amazing. Have a look at the CS3 Suites--several versions--what is available within those groups is mouthwatering to say the least.

29th March 2007, 08:13	#4 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Lots of interesting things to speculate about... The guys up there in the Ivory towers of Adobe must have an eye on some kind of 3D solution eventually and no doubt they could swallow up some mid-market 3D companies. Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology, Canoma maybe? For a long time now I think... Someone who's been around longer would know more about it, but I do know Daz is going to the Adobe show in Boston and CS3 and Acrobat will both have some 3D capability. The exact specs I am unsure about, but I'm guessing it will support CAD mostly, since that's where the industrial 3D dough is. Anyway, the future is exciting for 3D I think and I look forward to the day when I can open a model in Photoshop and paint away on it just like I would in Hex-2 (except a lot better maybe).. The gulf between 2D and 3D may narrow down a lot in the next few years and that would be great. I have all the modeling power I could want now for the most part and hopefully the rest will become as nice.

29th March 2007, 08:29	#5 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	http://creativemac.digitalmedianet.c....jsp?id=118679 WOW! A built in plug in for Daz3D is for sure. I guess that Carrara will have, at least, a save to that format built in.

29th March 2007, 19:42	#8 (permalink)
jval Cube Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 87	>..Adobe owns or owned some Carrara technology...Is that true? No. His second guess was correct- Canoma. - Jack

30th March 2007, 00:02	#11 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	Adobagon I would think that if Adobe wanted to get into 3D, DAZ would be a perfect fit. They could buy the software, and let DAZ keep the content. and spin out a nifty little 3D creative suite, with a small amount of work. and have it play nice with CS3. they could also snag VectoStyle, so that it will play nice with Adobe Flash, and Dreamweaver.( it's going to take a while to get used to saying Adobe Flash) They flipped the Macromedia suite rather quickly and the price stayed about the same, so I would think they could do the same with Carrara/Hex. I don't think you can export the models after painting on them...I think its more for incorporating 3d oblects into your 2D works, and not the other way around. I too want the dev.'s to have a great job and make lots of money!!!

30th March 2007, 06:51	#14 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Well I had heard you say that it turns everything into 2.5D and I would want to just paint the stuff and render it in Carrara. That's the goal for me. You think Zbrush 3 will fit the bill? I'm not necessarily a big fan of the micrdisplaced raisin face look either, so I doubt I'll go into such detail, but a good solid model painting application would be helpful to me I think.

30th March 2007, 07:08	#15 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	You can export obj files. and render in anything you would like! the UV maps are REALY funky if you open them in a image editor, but they work fine in carrara. My biggest problem is that It's just really easy to drop your object into 2.5D mode while you're working on it. It's a really difficult work flow to grasp, but it's obvious that it's well worth the effort, I wish I had a few weeks to just indulge myself in ZBrush and just get a handle on it. It's one of those apps that once it clicks... you're golden!

30th March 2007, 12:56	#18 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	If Adobe had a list of potential 3D apps to "buy" I think you would have used a ream of paper before Carrara/Hexagon were found on the list! An Adobe/Autodesk merger? Well why not!

30th March 2007, 18:52	#19 (permalink)
rickei Respect the Dawg! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA - Conway, South Carolina Posts: 791	med, You're right, Adobe is definitely going after the film industry. Don't forget about Apples' Shake... that really threw Adobe for a loop. It has reduced VFX studios reliance on Photoshop to next to nothing, and at $499 single or $129 per seat volume price, VFX houses bought a copy for everybody. Look at what WETA Digital did/are doing with it. Brian, I would think that the list of apps would not be that long. I don't think Adobe is very interested in creating geometry, just imagery, so the simplicity of C5's vertex, spline and metaball modelers would be more than enough. Also apps like 3DMax and XSI are not cross platform so that would take them off the list. Carrara would actually be a good fit. and with KPT/Metacreations history with Photoshop, they definitely know that Carrara exists. I guess anythings possible, and speculation will get us nowhere. I am curious though