Carrara - it is a dead end and here is why

[Wася]

"You have to use a little bit of logic..."
I guess, this means "You have to use my logic", and your logic is "they did not implement what I need, ergo they did not improve the product". And to be honest I don't understand why I have to care about your needs.
You want them to fulfill your wishes, I want them to fulfill my whishes. And somebody else want them to fulfill his or her wishes. As a result the vendor have to implement a zillion of features. Piece of cake each.

Before cheap Hexagon appearance there were a years of Amapi development, and Amapi still is $750. I'm not ready to discuss RDS or MetaCreations, but I'm sure, it takes not more than 30 minutes to find some lacks and gaps in those products.
And, as I said before, I find current Carrara abilities adequate to its price, and I will make my conclusion about DAZ abilities to improve the product after v.6.
The rest is scholasticism and, by the way, disrespect to plug-in developers in the field. "Practically non-existing". I'm just curious, why the author of this thread had not implement some cool (and cheap, of course) plug-in for hair, whater, whatever...

[medeamajic]

Like I said you have to use a little logic rather than ranting. Carrara has had good upgrades in my opinion (Bryce is another story). I have never said other wise. I think others would agree that Carrara needs to evolve like it did under Eovia. I would like to think an upgrade is due very soon. Carrara 6 may or may not have the features I want.

I never made plugins for Carrara or Hexagon when Eovia owned them. Why would any of us need to do it now? Eovia added bones, morphing, toon rendering, and surface replicator all of of which I have used. I think your posts are just pure loopy. Perhaps after reading this paragraph you will give it a rest. It is the only wise thing to do at this point.


Do you folks buy software like True Space and LightWave in hopes of making plugins ?

[medeamajic]

sketchy,

Nice work. I have heard a lot about Blender but the GUI seems to be the downside. I need to test out XSI and Blender to see if the rumors are true.

[Wася]

Wow, you are not only good in exposing your own traits, but also are a specimen of a good manners. Next time I will ask you permission to talk, I promise.
However, you already gave an answer to THE question of this thread.

[transient]

If there were only 2000 Maya users and 20000 Carrara users volume sales could help keep the price low

Well considering about a million people use maya (okay, maybe not that many, but lots) I don't think your opinions stack up.

However, since your now the world record holder for using the word hyperbole most times in a sentence, I'll forgive you.

[crazy wabbit]

Originally Posted by transient

Well considering about a million people use maya (okay, maybe not that many, but lots) I don't think your opinions stack up.

However, since your now the world record holder for using the word hyperbole most times in a sentence, I'll forgive you.

Transient, your facial hair seems to be growing? Do you plan to shave it off at anytime :P

[Piem]

Originally Posted by behzad

Transient, your facial hair seems to be growing? Do you plan to shave it off at anytime :P

LOLof the death

[Pete Exxtreme]

Originally Posted by Piem

LOLof the death

The Wabbit is Back

[crazy wabbit]

Thanks Pete, you look mighty sexy in your avatar too

[shaunmckinnon]

I'd like to interject something here: on medeamajic's behalf, Lightwave is a low cost application with a high arsenol of features including soft dynamics, and hair and fur. Plus, if you own Carrara they'll give it to you for just under 500 american. And, if I'm correct, I believe Lightwave is used heavily in the industry as both a modeller and a renderer. And, there is nothing wrong with the word hyberbole. I think it's just another way of saying $h*tting from the mouth.

I do believe that Carrara under DAZ supervision willl not make the leaps and bounds it has in every other upgrade it's done in the past. But I guess that waits to be seen. I'd also like to mention that for less then a hundred dollars you can purchase a toon renderer for Carrara that's quite powerful.

As I've always said, the other major software developers are focused on movie, film, and advertising industry. They list at pie-in-the-sky prices, because the film industry can afford to pay that. (hell, if they can pay Aflect 10,000,000 per movie, they can sure as hell afford a 6000.00 piece of software). But, Carrara, I see, is considered to be a "hobbyist" program. I'm curious, how many people that are in this thread use carrara as an end product software for their industry?

Oh, a proven fact that low cost and even free can produce high quality work:
Elephant's Dream

[Couerl]

On every side of a story or argument you'll find some truth usually and sure, on behalf of Med I would say that Carrara should dream big and chase after bigger apps, there's no reason it shouldn't. I do think you need to be realistic about it though. For just about any graphic artist or print shop Carrara would be a fine tool. You don't need Maya or Max or XSI to make a newsletter or a flyer. You may not need any 3D at all in fact, just Illustrator and Photoshop. Add some nice and simple 3D to your newsletter or sign or poster or flyer and suddenly you have something with more "wow" than a typical print. There's a market for quality in every industry and a huge potential for 3d and Carrara in the "pro" environment, of course.

[rickei]

I use Carrara for professional print media.

It is very well suited for print design. And it does it for about the cost of one quality stock photo.

[-ash-]

Originally Posted by shaunmckinnon

But, Carrara, I see, is considered to be a "hobbyist" program. I'm curious, how many people that are in this thread use carrara as an end product software for their industry?

I don't see Carrara as a hobbyist program. I see it as an illustration program. Rather than aimed at the game/film animator it was aimed at the graphic designer who needed 3D capabilities. This was why I bought it

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by transient

Well considering about a million people use maya (okay, maybe not that many, but lots) I don't think your opinions stack up.

However, since your now the world record holder for using the word hyperbole most times in a sentence, I'll forgive you.

If you read my post I stated that Carrara needs to be marketed more for the price of plugins to drop in price. So yea, my statement is accurate. I doubt Daz will market Carrara at all. At least I was warning people I was using hyperbole rather than passing it off as logic.

[rickei]

I was just flipping through the March issue of "3d World" magazine and noticed that the image of the month was done in Carrara 5!
the runners up were
#1 was done in Maya
#2 Maya/Zbrush
#3 3dMax
#4 Cinema 4d
#5 Maya

[transient]

If you read my post I stated that Carrara needs to be marketed more for the price of plugins to drop in price. So yea, my statement is accurate. I doubt Daz will market Carrara at all. At least I was warning people I was using hyperbole rather than passing it off as logic.

Please don't take offence, I left off a smiley. Your obviously passionate about 3d things which is good, but I think accusing others in this thread of hyperbole is a bit much.

Transient, your facial hair seems to be growing? Do you plan to shave it off at anytime :P

Every time I shave it grows back worse so I don't touch it anymore. Please don't make fun of me, I'm very sensitive about it.

[medeamajic]

Transient,

I think hyperbole was the intent in the post I read. Hyperbole is just exagerating to the max to make an extreme statement. Carrara, TS and LightWave can have features like 3-D painting added for under $7,000.00. Most Eovians like Carrara because Eovia added so many features from version 1.0 to 5.1 in a decent amount of time and at a fair price. Will Daz continue this trend?

[bwtr]

If Carrara is marketed more to reduce the price of plugins, about the only thing that could possibly eventuate is that Eric of DCG would offer to pay us to use his plugins! (Though, before that he would pay our broadband costs so that evn downloading was free!)

[smudgee]

Anyone one here talked with DCG regarding more plugins forthcoming ? Or about c5/c6 in general ?

DCG's plugs are priced good.One could get a couple for way less than a graphic designer would earn for a small job in the morning.

Like someone mentioned a few months back , writing a small plugin to allow real flow data to be used "easily" -for liquid sims , (basically just to load sequential meshes into timeline) might not be that hard for a coder.....but yeah no-ones done it yet uh.

But then im talking about using the real flow demo...sorry.

I just dont know whats gonna happen. Ive watched the zbrush 3 vid ,looks like they have done a lota work on new features in this long period.......similar time frame since c5 came out i beleive.(?) I wonder how many developers they have. Interesting thing about zbrush is that a ton of hobbiests use it, and it gets used as part of film industry pipeline.

smudge

[crazy wabbit]

Every time I shave it grows back worse so I don't touch it anymore. Please don't make fun of me, I'm very sensitive about it.[/quote]

Oh no, me like. Don't be upset, your very handsome. :P