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medeamajic · 2nd March 2007, 11:35

Is it time to nail Carrara's coffin shut? I hate to say it but it is March and no word about version 6. Bryce info leaked 2 months before it was released. This is not a good sign. A year ago I thought Carrara would become competition for Maya. I know the same programmers or working on version 6 but the proof is in the pudding. Where is my pudding? At the very least show us the dessert menu. What should we expect to see in version 6? Will it be appetizing or worth the wait?

2nd March 2007, 16:40

Hi, no coffin nor nails are needed things are fine. Trust me.

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

Is it time to nail Carrara's coffin shut? I hate to say it but it is March and no word about version 6. Bryce info leaked 2 months before it was released. This is not a good sign. A year ago I thought Carrara would become competition for Maya. I know the same programmers or working on version 6 but the proof is in the pudding. Where is my pudding? At the very least show us the dessert menu. What should we expect to see in version 6? Will it be appetizing or worth the wait?

Couerl · 3rd March 2007, 01:12

Med, why would you ever think Carrara would be competition for Maya or other similar apps in the 6k range? I hope it continues on the path it has always taken, nice, simple, clean and affordable.

bwtr · 3rd March 2007, 01:47

If the various threads were followed, any update before October would be a surprise. And why would anyone expect that update to be an any greater step advance than it was between versions 4 and 5 ?

One could argue that, based on the generally accepted philosophy which Carrara has followed, that very little needs to be done to keep it in the "Best all rounder and value for money 3D app!"

VertexSpline · 3rd March 2007, 02:53

bwtr you are so correct. But we always would like new advancements (for me in CA would be nice) . But price vs power C5 can hold its own against anyone.
Still have much to uncover and learn so I am personally not anxiously waiting for 6 but certainly am glad to know that the team is working on things and with each number they have steadily made this thing rock. So I do look forward to seeing 6 sometime down the road.

Couerl · 3rd March 2007, 03:00

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Originally Posted by VertexSpline

bwtr you are so correct. But we always would like new advancements (for me in CA would be nice) . But price vs power C5 can hold its own against anyone.
Still have much to uncover and learn so I am personally not anxiously waiting for 6 but certainly am glad to know that the team is working on things and with each number they have steadily made this thing rock. So I do look forward to seeing 6 sometime down the road.

Good points, one thing is certain in any release.. The longer it takes the more goodies will be in it. I hope it comes out around xmas.

medeamajic · 3rd March 2007, 10:53

X-Mas?

That would be a 2 year gap from version 5 to 6. We never waited that long with Eovia. I would like a sneak peak of what version 6 will offer. There is no reason Carrara could not put competion on Maya or XSI. Look at what Hash's Animation Master can do in the right hands. A few more Hexagon tools for modeling, 3-D paint and dynamic hair and cloth should put serious competition on Maya. Better rigging would help. If could assign morphing to certain bone movements that would be great. I think Carrara had potential. As of now I am not sure. It would be nice to get a heads up.

Pete Exxtreme · 3rd March 2007, 11:20

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

A few more Hexagon tools for modeling, 3-D paint and dynamic hair and cloth should put serious competition on Maya. Better rigging would help. If could assign morphing to certain bone movements that would be great.

With that you ahve ehanced almost the whole program but the renderer !

With all those features you'd probably be in the range of price than a c4d...if it's done seriously...

jbshorty · 4th March 2007, 00:34

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

...X-Mas? That would be a 2 year gap from version 5 to 6. We never waited that long with Eovia. ...

I think it's completely reasonable to wait 2 years between releases. What's the advantage to you if they rush the next major release? I don't like to pay for upgrades constantly. And i'm getting fed up with the trend of companies releasing just one or two patch fixes for bugs that should have stopped the program from being released at all. What happened to continually improving the current software through a few point releases? Here are some good examples of developers not ignoring their current software :

Rhino 4.0 was unofficially released for sale 2 weeks ago after 3 years in public beta, while at same time version 3 made it all the way up to service release #5b
Silo - in public beta for 9 months, in development for 2 years and they are taking their time to make it rock solid. Current version made it up to 1.42
Modo - Previous version went up to 104
ZBrush almost made it to version 2.5, now it's called 3.0 but at least it will be a free upgrade!

Those are all good examples. Now look at the case of Hex and Carrara. Hex went from 1.21 to 2.0 (just two small patches), and Carrara will go from 5.1 to 6.0 (just ONE patch fix

). Is this really acceptable to Carrara's user base?... If Carrara 6 isn't released until the end of 2008, that's fine with me. I would rather get a few minor point releases along the way, to improve what we've already got and maybe add some new minor features. And when C6 is announced it should mean something. We shouldn't be expected to wait 18 months for the honor of paying for a patch to fix the current set of bugs. I say give me C5.2, C5.3, and C5.4 and take all the time you need to ship C6...

All that being said, Carrara is far from dead. At least version 6 is not. Can't say what will happen after that...

shorty

Couerl · 4th March 2007, 01:27

I think C5 had: C5, C5.01, C5.02 and then C5.1 if I am not mistaken and I specifically remember Charles asking if anyone else had any problems on the (now closed) original Yahoo list...

I do agree Shorty that the every year or 18 month cycle is perhaps too aggressive. I didn't used to think this, but I've since learned better..
Getting over-agressive with the toolset is okay in some circumstances, but in general I'm thinking it burns out developpers and also the users. Take your time and make it solid and it will be worth the wait.

medeamajic · 4th March 2007, 02:58

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Originally Posted by Pete Exxtreme

With that you ahve ehanced almost the whole program but the renderer !

With all those features you'd probably be in the range of price than a c4d...if it's done seriously...

Hash's AM has hair but that is not the real issue. I can not belive what I am reading from you folks. Hexagon is great. All Carrara needs is symmetrical modeling for my needs so I can ditch Hexagon. I admit 3-D paint would be nice. We may not get lip sync or walk designer or even plants with vegatation but symmetrical modeling would be nice. It would be nice to know it has been added. I hope you folks can see the need for Carrara 6 ASAP. If we only get 3-D paint and symmetrical modeling that is worth it for me. Lets get real. Carrara is good but after 14 months it should be even better. If we do wait until X-Mas it had better be better than Maya. Is Carrara 6 going to be a Poser Clone? I would expect Carrara 6 to be released soon but if not at least let a little info leak out. Bryce integration is OK for version 6.5 or 7

bwtr · 4th March 2007, 03:14

Can you show us examples of your work ,done in Carrara, at the point where you have the need for the updates?

transient · 4th March 2007, 03:30

Perhaps further integrating Hex into Carrara would be more productive. If Hex had a live link with Carrara Daz could spend more time developing the renderer and adding other goodies.

It just seems to be a wasted effort developing the same tools in two apps, especially considering Daz seem a bit stretched as it is. If Hex came free with Carrara no one would be disadvantaged and both tools could get the love they need.

My 2c.

jbshorty · 4th March 2007, 05:52

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

..I hope you folks can see the need for Carrara 6 ASAP...

...I don't think it's so urgent for most people...

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

...If we only get 3-D paint and symmetrical modeling that is worth it for me...

you really think that would be worth a paid upgrade by itself? Symmetrical modeling should be given free in a 5.2 release. It's pretty much standard for most other programs now. But if you really want to pay for it, there is a DCG plug-in available... 3-D painting is not really an essential part of an animation or rendering program, as it's very easy to paint externally in seperate 3D app. The lost time from importing/exporting maps is minimal...

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Originally Posted by medeamajic

...Carrara is good but after 14 months it should be even better. If we do wait until X-Mas it had better be better than Maya...

...you totally lost me there. Are we speaking about the same Carrara?

steama · 4th March 2007, 07:27

Carrara is a great value at $549

Maya is also great but can cost as much as $6,999

In what area would these applications compete against one another?

VertexSpline · 4th March 2007, 07:57

Seems to me that Carrara has made some great steps the last two version numbers. Carrara five out of the box is a great accessable all around 3d package. It really does not compete with Maya XsI etc its like Camrys vs Mercedes both get you down the road but some get you there with more luxories.
As far as what 6 mighty hold ......well yes always nice to get some hints but some developers really dislike showing thier hands ....while some do. Personally I am still digging in with 5 and learning to play with Hex so I have my hands full already so I can wait. Thats not to say I dont hope for great things for Six .I do. Would like to see more Hex like tools in vertex modeler. And lip synching ...dope sheet type tool would be nice ala Animation Master.
Better CA tools in general.

medeamajic · 4th March 2007, 08:39

vertexspline,

It would be nice if we could even get a heads up. So far we know it will have better integration with Daz content. Not much to cheer about. I admit it makes sense but are we looking at a Poser clone? I think at Evoia Carrara and Hexagon were on the right track. I think under Daz the track design might change.

Pete Exxtreme · 4th March 2007, 10:55

Cool it down Gentlemen please

medeamajic · 4th March 2007, 11:23

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Originally Posted by bwtr

Can you show us examples of your work ,done in Carrara, at the point where you have the need for the updates?

I don't think you need anymore screens shots of my work. All you have to do is visit a few of your own thread to realize that 3-D paint might be usefull. Perhaps you could eleborate about how 3-D paint has benfited you. http://forums.polyloop.net/hexagon-t...p-giraffe.html

transient · 4th March 2007, 11:33

I think you lost all hope of being taken seriously in this thread with that maya fantasy

Anyway, Hex has 3d painting which will hopefully improve in future updates.

2nd March 2007, 11:35	#1 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	Should I get out the nails? Is it time to nail Carrara's coffin shut? I hate to say it but it is March and no word about version 6. Bryce info leaked 2 months before it was released. This is not a good sign. A year ago I thought Carrara would become competition for Maya. I know the same programmers or working on version 6 but the proof is in the pudding. Where is my pudding? At the very least show us the dessert menu. What should we expect to see in version 6? Will it be appetizing or worth the wait?

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Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,631	Cool it down Gentlemen please __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

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3rd March 2007, 01:12	#3 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	Med, why would you ever think Carrara would be competition for Maya or other similar apps in the 6k range? I hope it continues on the path it has always taken, nice, simple, clean and affordable.

3rd March 2007, 01:47	#4 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	If the various threads were followed, any update before October would be a surprise. And why would anyone expect that update to be an any greater step advance than it was between versions 4 and 5 ? One could argue that, based on the generally accepted philosophy which Carrara has followed, that very little needs to be done to keep it in the "Best all rounder and value for money 3D app!"

3rd March 2007, 02:53	#5 (permalink)
VertexSpline Vertex Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 17	bwtr you are so correct. But we always would like new advancements (for me in CA would be nice) . But price vs power C5 can hold its own against anyone. Still have much to uncover and learn so I am personally not anxiously waiting for 6 but certainly am glad to know that the team is working on things and with each number they have steadily made this thing rock. So I do look forward to seeing 6 sometime down the road.

3rd March 2007, 10:53	#7 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	X-Mas? That would be a 2 year gap from version 5 to 6. We never waited that long with Eovia. I would like a sneak peak of what version 6 will offer. There is no reason Carrara could not put competion on Maya or XSI. Look at what Hash's Animation Master can do in the right hands. A few more Hexagon tools for modeling, 3-D paint and dynamic hair and cloth should put serious competition on Maya. Better rigging would help. If could assign morphing to certain bone movements that would be great. I think Carrara had potential. As of now I am not sure. It would be nice to get a heads up.

4th March 2007, 01:27	#10 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I think C5 had: C5, C5.01, C5.02 and then C5.1 if I am not mistaken and I specifically remember Charles asking if anyone else had any problems on the (now closed) original Yahoo list... I do agree Shorty that the every year or 18 month cycle is perhaps too aggressive. I didn't used to think this, but I've since learned better.. Getting over-agressive with the toolset is okay in some circumstances, but in general I'm thinking it burns out developpers and also the users. Take your time and make it solid and it will be worth the wait.

4th March 2007, 03:14	#12 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	Can you show us examples of your work ,done in Carrara, at the point where you have the need for the updates?

4th March 2007, 03:30	#13 (permalink)
transient Extrusion Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 170	Perhaps further integrating Hex into Carrara would be more productive. If Hex had a live link with Carrara Daz could spend more time developing the renderer and adding other goodies. It just seems to be a wasted effort developing the same tools in two apps, especially considering Daz seem a bit stretched as it is. If Hex came free with Carrara no one would be disadvantaged and both tools could get the love they need. My 2c.

4th March 2007, 07:27	#15 (permalink)
steama Boulet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 452	Carrara is a great value at $549 Maya is also great but can cost as much as $6,999 In what area would these applications compete against one another?

4th March 2007, 07:57	#16 (permalink)
VertexSpline Vertex Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 17	Seems to me that Carrara has made some great steps the last two version numbers. Carrara five out of the box is a great accessable all around 3d package. It really does not compete with Maya XsI etc its like Camrys vs Mercedes both get you down the road but some get you there with more luxories. As far as what 6 mighty hold ......well yes always nice to get some hints but some developers really dislike showing thier hands ....while some do. Personally I am still digging in with 5 and learning to play with Hex so I have my hands full already so I can wait. Thats not to say I dont hope for great things for Six .I do. Would like to see more Hex like tools in vertex modeler. And lip synching ...dope sheet type tool would be nice ala Animation Master. Better CA tools in general.

4th March 2007, 08:39	#17 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	vertexspline, It would be nice if we could even get a heads up. So far we know it will have better integration with Daz content. Not much to cheer about. I admit it makes sense but are we looking at a Poser clone? I think at Evoia Carrara and Hexagon were on the right track. I think under Daz the track design might change.

4th March 2007, 11:33	#20 (permalink)
transient Extrusion Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 170	I think you lost all hope of being taken seriously in this thread with that maya fantasy Anyway, Hex has 3d painting which will hopefully improve in future updates.