It's a primary feature of C6. What ya think? - Polyloop

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 06:08

Today daz posted this: "...one of the primary features for Carrara 6 is now that of DAZ content support..." I'll choose my words politely because this is Thomas' forum, but does anybody else even consider this a "feature" much less a "primary feature"?? I'm depressed. I hope daz isn't taking too much of the devs time away from introduction/improvement of other features in order to introduce this "primary feature".

LoneGunman · 26th January 2007, 06:41

Didn't you know that one of the most important goals for DAZ is to deliver one copy of Carrara for every member of their platinum club and get even more members with very low prices?

Of course, they will never admit that in public, but that is where money is for them now and pretty much has always been...

Nothing really to think, honestly. History always repeats itself, whatever they did with Bryce, they will do with Carrara as well. Sad, but true. We just have to learn to live with it or move along

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 06:49

...hehe. Yea, I know, Lonegunman ;) But, the glass is always half full...behind every cloud is a silver lining, so on and so forth. I've been looking for a reason to buy XSI for a while now and this might be as good a reason as any.

bwtr · 26th January 2007, 07:15

If you read the complete report----it indicates that DAZStudio will, now that they wont be getting Poser SDKs, become a serious ALTERNATIVE to Poser!

Of course, the "DAZporter" will be an important item in Carrara.

LoneGunman · 26th January 2007, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tunesy

...hehe. Yea, I know, Lonegunman ;) But, the glass is always half full...behind every cloud is a silver lining, so on and so forth. I've been looking for a reason to buy XSI for a while now and this might be as good a reason as any.

Yep, XSI looks like a very reasonable choice and price is good. From what I hear, once you are hooked on MentalRay there is no turning back...

Good luck to you if you decide to go for it

Pete Exxtreme · 26th January 2007, 08:04

For people who like DAZ ready-made content this is a main feature i think. But if you don't like that, it's not really exciting....

Do you have a link for that thread please ?

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 08:14

Sure. The thread is http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php...0e5bf46a590bea

It's by Skondris on page 3, I think.

Piem · 26th January 2007, 08:25

I'm cold

Pete Exxtreme · 26th January 2007, 08:27

Thanks ! yep nothing new to learn, but Carrara will this released this year ".....or you can wait and use the expanded native support that will be released in Carrara 6 later this year..... "

As the post was done in jan 2007, this leaves the whole year for releasing Carrara6....

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 08:36

Well, "...one of the primary features for Carrara 6 is now that of DAZ content support..." is news to me, but I suppose not surprising, and I'm not impressed (: With any luck the devs will have to spend lots of time on that and not fuss with things like character animation tools. sigh. Sorry. I'm being sarcastic.

medeamajic · 26th January 2007, 10:33

I new when Daz bought Carrara they would use Carrara as bait for DAZ memberships. I feared they might waste time getting Bryce, Daz Studio and Carrara to all work together. Carrara 6 may end up being nothing more than a joke. I am not 100% sure the Carrara staff is still working on Carrara 6. I can not imagine them being happy about being put on the back burner behind Daz's content on the webstie. I think Carrara will suffer the same fate as Bryce. It stinks because I also used Bryce until Daz bought them out.

A year ago I would have had great expectations for Carrara 6 and 7. Now I to must look at XSI and LightWave.

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 10:51

...sure, medeamajic. You're right too. We all knew that. I guess I'm just disappointed that Carrara is veering off into the canned pink bunny rabbit slippers universe so fast...err, in daz development years, that is ;)

steama · 26th January 2007, 11:25

Not news in the slightest. Everything DAZ does is to promote the sale of their content and everything else lines up behind that fundamental effort. A good example is the new DAZ promotion to Platinum Club members to get into Carrara for $9 bucks. All this is not good or bad it is just the way DAZ does its business. Everything changes and we all have many good choices and options.

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 11:49

...daz will love you for that, steama. That's probably how they'll spin it too ;) But to me, it's bad. There is no upside.

medeamajic · 26th January 2007, 12:18

You would think that the Carrara staff would mention to Daz that it is not cool to lump in Carrara as bait for Daz memberships. Daz let the Hexagon staff go so I wonder if the Carrara staff is still employed. Are they happy with the way things are going thus far if still employed?

Nichod · 26th January 2007, 13:04

All they are saying is that Carrara will support Daz content more easily. I'd expect that, and I'm sure even if Daz didn't purchase Carrara, that Eovia would have still improved Poser import in C6. Its a big market and more people will purchase Carrara if it works with the tools they use. More people means more money, more money means more development. Just don't assume, because none of us knows what they are talking about.

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 13:28

...with all due respect, Nichod, daz does have a 'software development history'. Anybody can form a legitimate opinion based on that.

medeamajic · 26th January 2007, 13:53

Nichod,

Poser support is OK with me. Infact I think it is great. Once people get used to Poser and want more from a 3-D program Carrara will be the the best option and get more market share. I just don't like Daz baiting people into buying memberships to get good deals. I wonder what the Carrara staff thinks about that? I doubt that was their goal when Carrara 1 was released.

I used to get good upgrade prices from Eovia. I got better upgrade prices than the Daz Platinum members. That should not change. Keep the content memberships seperate from the programs. Sell Carrara and have a $10.00 voucher for the Daz Doll House inside. Do not sell Carrara 5 Pro for only $199.00 to Daz member. I can imagine a slight discount to Daz members.

Tunesy · 26th January 2007, 14:08

I won't make a final decision on C6 until it's been out a month or two. If daz does a good job then I'll jump and cheer and say "good job", but I'm not going to pretend I'm hopeful. I do want to see what the traditional Carrara users think first before buying though.

Couerl · 26th January 2007, 22:24

I don't think the philosophy of Carrara will change and greater support of Daz content (or any content including your own for that matter) is a no brainer. Most of us are just a small slice of the Daz demographic and their primary revenue source has always been memberhips and Vicki's and her wardrobe etc. I don't see anything wrong with this because your average joe 3D'er doesn't have the time, nor skills to model, shade, rig, animate, morph, organize and render a Vicki-4 of their own (I know I can't) and that is where the primary demand is and why Poser sells 100 copy's for every other 3D app out there. As far as "content" goes, it has been there as long as 3D has and really won't go away either, nor should it. A lot of modelers make their living selling content and good for them. Likewise, a lot of graphic artists who need something on the fly can pay 10 bucks for it instead of spending a few days making it themselves, which increases their productivity and bottom line as well.

26th January 2007, 06:08	#1 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	It's a primary feature of C6. What ya think? Today daz posted this: "...one of the primary features for Carrara 6 is now that of DAZ content support..." I'll choose my words politely because this is Thomas' forum, but does anybody else even consider this a "feature" much less a "primary feature"?? I'm depressed. I hope daz isn't taking too much of the devs time away from introduction/improvement of other features in order to introduce this "primary feature".

26th January 2007, 06:41	#2 (permalink)
LoneGunman SILO abuser Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Louisville, KY USA Posts: 556	Didn't you know that one of the most important goals for DAZ is to deliver one copy of Carrara for every member of their platinum club and get even more members with very low prices? Of course, they will never admit that in public, but that is where money is for them now and pretty much has always been... Nothing really to think, honestly. History always repeats itself, whatever they did with Bryce, they will do with Carrara as well. Sad, but true. We just have to learn to live with it or move along __________________ My missions are not impossible, I just make them look that way

26th January 2007, 08:04	#6 (permalink)
Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,631	For people who like DAZ ready-made content this is a main feature i think. But if you don't like that, it's not really exciting.... Do you have a link for that thread please ? __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

26th January 2007, 08:27	#9 (permalink)
Pete Exxtreme Lick it up Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Thonon/France Posts: 4,631	Thanks ! yep nothing new to learn, but Carrara will this released this year ".....or you can wait and use the expanded native support that will be released in Carrara 6 later this year..... " As the post was done in jan 2007, this leaves the whole year for releasing Carrara6.... __________________ Toute faute de frappe ou erreur de syntaxe sont dues a un clavier rebelle à toute forme d'autorité. LightWave 9 \| Hexagon 2 My gallery

26th January 2007, 13:04	#16 (permalink)
Nichod Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 612	All they are saying is that Carrara will support Daz content more easily. I'd expect that, and I'm sure even if Daz didn't purchase Carrara, that Eovia would have still improved Poser import in C6. Its a big market and more people will purchase Carrara if it works with the tools they use. More people means more money, more money means more development. Just don't assume, because none of us knows what they are talking about. __________________ Email Me. Visit my blog! Get hundreds of shader presets! Get Art of Shaders! And a preview for Art of Skin is now available. AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-40 (2.2GHz/1MB L2 Cache) 1280 MB DDR 333mHz RAM 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM) 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800) I use.

26th January 2007, 06:49	#3 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	...hehe. Yea, I know, Lonegunman ;) But, the glass is always half full...behind every cloud is a silver lining, so on and so forth. I've been looking for a reason to buy XSI for a while now and this might be as good a reason as any.

26th January 2007, 07:15	#4 (permalink)
bwtr Brian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Australia Posts: 2,094	If you read the complete report----it indicates that DAZStudio will, now that they wont be getting Poser SDKs, become a serious ALTERNATIVE to Poser! Of course, the "DAZporter" will be an important item in Carrara.

26th January 2007, 08:14	#7 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	Sure. The thread is http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php...0e5bf46a590bea It's by Skondris on page 3, I think.

26th January 2007, 08:25	#8 (permalink)
Piem Booh! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rennes/fr Posts: 6,640	I'm cold

26th January 2007, 08:36	#10 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	Well, "...one of the primary features for Carrara 6 is now that of DAZ content support..." is news to me, but I suppose not surprising, and I'm not impressed (: With any luck the devs will have to spend lots of time on that and not fuss with things like character animation tools. sigh. Sorry. I'm being sarcastic.

26th January 2007, 10:33	#11 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	I new when Daz bought Carrara they would use Carrara as bait for DAZ memberships. I feared they might waste time getting Bryce, Daz Studio and Carrara to all work together. Carrara 6 may end up being nothing more than a joke. I am not 100% sure the Carrara staff is still working on Carrara 6. I can not imagine them being happy about being put on the back burner behind Daz's content on the webstie. I think Carrara will suffer the same fate as Bryce. It stinks because I also used Bryce until Daz bought them out. A year ago I would have had great expectations for Carrara 6 and 7. Now I to must look at XSI and LightWave.

26th January 2007, 10:51	#12 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	...sure, medeamajic. You're right too. We all knew that. I guess I'm just disappointed that Carrara is veering off into the canned pink bunny rabbit slippers universe so fast...err, in daz development years, that is ;)

26th January 2007, 11:25	#13 (permalink)
steama Boulet Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 452	Not news in the slightest. Everything DAZ does is to promote the sale of their content and everything else lines up behind that fundamental effort. A good example is the new DAZ promotion to Platinum Club members to get into Carrara for $9 bucks. All this is not good or bad it is just the way DAZ does its business. Everything changes and we all have many good choices and options.

26th January 2007, 11:49	#14 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	...daz will love you for that, steama. That's probably how they'll spin it too ;) But to me, it's bad. There is no upside.

26th January 2007, 12:18	#15 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	You would think that the Carrara staff would mention to Daz that it is not cool to lump in Carrara as bait for Daz memberships. Daz let the Hexagon staff go so I wonder if the Carrara staff is still employed. Are they happy with the way things are going thus far if still employed?

26th January 2007, 13:28	#17 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	...with all due respect, Nichod, daz does have a 'software development history'. Anybody can form a legitimate opinion based on that.

26th January 2007, 13:53	#18 (permalink)
medeamajic Now, I learn animation Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,028	Nichod, Poser support is OK with me. Infact I think it is great. Once people get used to Poser and want more from a 3-D program Carrara will be the the best option and get more market share. I just don't like Daz baiting people into buying memberships to get good deals. I wonder what the Carrara staff thinks about that? I doubt that was their goal when Carrara 1 was released. I used to get good upgrade prices from Eovia. I got better upgrade prices than the Daz Platinum members. That should not change. Keep the content memberships seperate from the programs. Sell Carrara and have a $10.00 voucher for the Daz Doll House inside. Do not sell Carrara 5 Pro for only $199.00 to Daz member. I can imagine a slight discount to Daz members.

26th January 2007, 14:08	#19 (permalink)
Tunesy Cube Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 75	I won't make a final decision on C6 until it's been out a month or two. If daz does a good job then I'll jump and cheer and say "good job", but I'm not going to pretend I'm hopeful. I do want to see what the traditional Carrara users think first before buying though.

26th January 2007, 22:24	#20 (permalink)
Couerl Polygurbs Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 1,301	I don't think the philosophy of Carrara will change and greater support of Daz content (or any content including your own for that matter) is a no brainer. Most of us are just a small slice of the Daz demographic and their primary revenue source has always been memberhips and Vicki's and her wardrobe etc. I don't see anything wrong with this because your average joe 3D'er doesn't have the time, nor skills to model, shade, rig, animate, morph, organize and render a Vicki-4 of their own (I know I can't) and that is where the primary demand is and why Poser sells 100 copy's for every other 3D app out there. As far as "content" goes, it has been there as long as 3D has and really won't go away either, nor should it. A lot of modelers make their living selling content and good for them. Likewise, a lot of graphic artists who need something on the fly can pay 10 bucks for it instead of spending a few days making it themselves, which increases their productivity and bottom line as well.

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