c4d preview render link

[LoneGunman]

Originally Posted by Couerl

What stinks? I kinda wish they'd just take all that stuff out. How many preview windows do you need? They're everywhere; shader, sky, aura, lens flare, yada, yada... Just make your stuff right the first time and skip the training wheels.
Seriously, if the spot renderer in assembly could be set on super fast preview mode that would be fine or something like 1-100% accuracy. I'd leave it on 10% and take the speed.
I still can't think of a better all around 3D app than Carrara especially for $169.00 a year to upgrade, or maybe now it will even be considerably less in Daz's hands, who knows...
The more I go to CGSPhere and CGTalk and look around, the more I'm convinced that its not all about the app, its about who is using it. There's a lot of guys out there with Maya, Max, C4D and LW who should have saved their money and got Poser and there's others using lower end apps who should be using something better. In the end, if you're one of those people who think it's just the software holding you back from making great art then I reccomend you visit the very last page on CGSphere. There's a very nice assortment of renders produced in Maya, 3DSMax, C4D, Blender, Carrara, Strata, Lightwave all with the lowest possible common denominator...1's. ;)

Feel you there, man...

People do not realize how much Eovia packed in C5 for lil' bit of money.

It's a cheapo, let's be real, like a huge tool box you buy in Dollar Store. They do the relatively nice job, for the money, but you cannot compare it with $1000 kit, it's just not realistic.

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by Couerl

What stinks? I kinda wish they'd just take all that stuff out. How many preview windows do you need? They're everywhere; shader, sky, aura, lens flare, yada, yada... Just make your stuff right the first time and skip the training wheels.
Seriously, if the spot renderer in assembly could be set on super fast preview mode that would be fine or something like 1-100% accuracy. I'd leave it on 10% and take the speed.
I still can't think of a better all around 3D app than Carrara especially for $169.00 a year to upgrade, or maybe now it will even be considerably less in Daz's hands, who knows...
The more I go to CGSPhere and CGTalk and look around, the more I'm convinced that its not all about the app, its about who is using it. There's a lot of guys out there with Maya, Max, C4D and LW who should have saved their money and got Poser and there's others using lower end apps who should be using something better. In the end, if you're one of those people who think it's just the software holding you back from making great art then I reccomend you visit the very last page on CGSphere. There's a very nice assortment of renders produced in Maya, 3DSMax, C4D, Blender, Carrara, Strata, Lightwave all with the lowest possible common denominator...1's. ;)

I do animations not stills. I never said Carrara was holding me back. If you read my post I think Carrara is a good program. All I am saying is Carrara is to slugish to show texture maps and that stinks. It would be nice to see them in preview mode. If Carrara 6 gets a good Open GL preview like C4D everyone will rave about how great it is but I doubt anyone will ever say "medeamajic you were right having better previews makes everything so much better".

[medeamajic]

Originally Posted by LoneGunman

Yep, true that, but upgrade from version 6 to version 7 is $399, so when you get version 7 for $595 are you willing to pay $399 again for version 8 ?

And isn't $595 like $350 more just to get better previews (Carrara5Pro does not matter here, same OpenGL realtime speed in C5 and C5Pro).

So my question remains: Are you willing to pay ???

Of couse I will.

[LoneGunman]

So why not buy something available NOW. What is to stop you ???

I switched to Vue6Infinite (for different reasons), never regreted it

[medeamajic]

I like the GUI of Carrara.

I think Vue is a piece of crap compared to Carrara. Carrara might not be up to snuff with 3DS Max for figure animation and Vue might have a few features that Carrara lacks but Carrara does it all. No need for 3-4 programs for creating scenes, modeling, animation and rendering. I like the Vertex modeler of Carrara but it needs to duplicate with symmetry. The rigging in Carrara is very easy. True Space might have a better preveiw but Carrara has a better GUI. I am certain Carrara 6 will have better previews but I wish they could just issues a .5 upgrade for better previews. I want it ASAP.

[LoneGunman]

And I'm 100% sure that Carrara6 will NOT have better previews.

Vue might be piece of crap, but hey, who am I to argue, I only use it on every day bases and actually produce something with it...

It would be nice, for the change, to see some of your work (modeling, rigging and animation), instead constant complaints about previews, those after all belong to DAZ BugReport site more then anywhere else

[crazy wabbit]

I will wait and see what carrot springs up from the ground. The leaves might look green but who knows whats underneath the ground.

Oh boy, I am crazy or what? :P

[Pete Exxtreme]

Hummm .. i suddenly like to taste a good roast rabbit, with onion, celery....

Sweet rabbit !! Where RU ??? Come to see dad....

[crazy wabbit]

Originally Posted by Pete Exxtreme

Hummm .. i suddenly like to taste a good roast rabbit, with onion, celery....

Sweet rabbit !! Where RU ??? Come to see dad....

Oh, please be my friend, you know why I love Carrara
cause it spells like Carr ots

[medeamajic]

Lonegunman,


If you go through the forums you will see I have posted a lot of Camera work samples and also a simple rigged figure to help out another forum member. I also posted something in the WIP forum. If you really want to see my work for a couple of bucks I can send you a demo reel on DVD. It will have 3-D animation, special effects, training tutorials etc. It will be the same demo reel I hand in with my resume for video editing jobs. I have produced work that has aired on TV sets in the Detroit area but nothing very fancy just simple local shows.

[medeamajic]

In reguards to Vue, Bryce, 3DS Max or Maya, all the programs mentioned can produce good 3-D animation for Broadcasting if rendered right. I think my Demo reel has a Ray Dream Studio clip and a Bryce 5 clip on it. In the beginning I just made logos flip and rotate while changing from gold to chrome for work. Ray Dream Studio did this OK but I want to do better figure animations for my own needs. I used to be content with fly throughs and simple logo type work. It is only within the last ten months I have started designing my own figures and making use of the morphing features of Carrara. My models look more like Gumby and Felix the cat than highend Daz models. I used to use Poser and premade content up until about 10 months ago and had a lot of fun. I am testing the waters with Carrara and learning a lot each day from members on these forums. I try to help out other forum members when I can. RDS, Bryce and even Poser can still do many things very well but I want more than they can give me right now. Vue is a good program as is Poser but it would not be wise to invest in either if your goal is to create your own landscape scenes, model figures and then animate them. You could do it with Vue using other programs to help out in certain areas.

I have produced good work with Bryce and RDS but Carrara is much more advanced.

[medeamajic]

Lonegunman,

On the issue of Daz bug reports I doubt this is a bug report issue. I am letting people know how Carrara handles previews compared to the competition nothing more. Others might see what the competiton has to offer and want better preveiws in Carrara 6 like I do. These forums are for Carrara users to post their thoughts about the porgram as well as help other forum members. I think my post is OK for this forum. Thomas has no problem with it. I am not trying to be a jerk but I think you are?

I could post why are you not over at Vue's website if you bought Vue and use it over Carrrara with no regrets. I imagine you have your reasons for being in these forums and it is not my place to question your reasons. Lonegunman, I do not like the Daz forums and have not been there in over 2 months but your name stands out. I think it stands out because I have read a few of your post at the Daz site and you seemed to question every post in an argumenative way. You seem to care way to much about me wanting better previews in Carrara. Like I said to be a jerk I could ask why you are not at the Vue website if you love Vue so much but I do not care enough about you to want an answer. Do us all a favor an not be so anal about every post. other wise we will all have to get anal about every little post you make. I doubt you want that. I can put the shoe on the other foot Lonegunman. I doubt you like it but it is time someone did it.

My post was about Carrara vs the competition for previews and it has been lead astray. I wanted people to see other options. That is all this thread shoud have been about. Why you posted 20 questions is beyond me.

[laughingnome]

how about posting some model pics bud as others have already asked.
you seem to want to fight with anyone who answers you.
thats not going to get you very far but please feel free to go ahead with that attitude.

regards
stu

[medeamajic]

laughingnome,

I disagree. I did not post the link to C4D to have Lonegunman ask me 40 questions. It has taken the thread way of track to respond to his questions as did another thread by another forum member. I could ask questions about every post Longuman makes but why waste the time? I think he reads to much into my posts. I have seen posts by Loneguman in other forums where the same thing has happened. This thread has gotten way of track. Why would I need to post a sample of my work in this thread? That has nothing to do with the animation previews of Carrara vs the competition. If I posted a link about how I am the best 3-D artist in these forums I could understand people wanting samples of my work. I do not claim to be the best 3-D artist. I have stated I know how to use Carrara and Hexagon but like others I am still learning with the help of others. I am posting Carrara is not keeping up with the competition on this thread and I provided proof of that. That is what I should show on this thread not a sample of my work. As a moderator I hope you can understand how this thread has run of track. You should try to keep it on track rather than derail it even farther. I guess I should ask for samples of your work even though it has nothing to do with this thread. I myself think Lonegunman is being to anal about my post and to some extent you as well. We have gone beyond the the issue of better previews for Carrrar and more into why I use it. I did not want this to happen but I am not at fault either. If anyone posts that they wish Vue had better previews what good would a sample of their work do me or anyone else? A post of the animation previews of Vue vs the competion might be nice.

Laughingnome,

If you do a few searches I have posted some of my work in other threads. I posted a Carrara file that shows how Carrara bogs down and could use better Open GL Support.

http://forums.polyloop.net/carrara-e...-previews.html

I do not think a sample of my work is needed since most Carrara user know what Carrara previews look like. I wanted to post what the competiton looks like so others could see that things could improve for Carrara as well. I am sorry I made this post. I have found good help on these forums but I have also found some people to be very irratating.

Laughingnome this post may offend you but it is 100% true. The thread has run a muck. I imagine now that I reposted a link to my Carrara file I will get 4 or 5 post explaining how I should set everything up so Carrara does not bog down. I want Carrara to do better previews not learn how I can give up quality for speed. I did not want to post any samples of my work on this thread but this sample might explain why better Open GL might be useful for some of us using Carrara.

I would like better speed and better quality in Carrara 6 for previews. That is all. If someone wants dynamic hair and cloth in Carrara 6 I will not ask 40 questions like why they don't just buy Poser or ask for a sample of their work. I doubt I will use dynamic cloth but hair would be nice.

[Couerl]

Hi Med, for the previews in Carrara, you can't really compare the speed of them to Poser or Daz-Studio and Carrara already supports Open-GL. It is what it is and no more really. The reason previews are slower in Carrara has much more to do with your render settings, geometry and your procedural shaders than it does with Open-GL. If Poser or Daz-Studio had full indirect lighting or GI or AO or complex procedurals or a whole host of other more advanced rendering options that Carrara has then they would be just as slow as Carrara in that regard. Without trying to tell you how to fix your scenes for faster previews, (its not my intent) let me just say that if you set the rendering options to their basic settings, it should be good enough for you to get an idea of your eventual output.

What C4D did with their previews looks pretty neat, real time transparencies etc,.. but every process comes at a cost and an impact to performance on one level or another. There's no free lunch in physics right? ;) Anyway, I can't complain about previews because I guess I already know what the difference between a quick preview with all the high end render settings turned down and a final render with some of the more advanced features enabled will look like having used the program for a few years.

As for the squabbles, no one is denying that its okay to post observations or even complaints about software, we're all here to share our experiences and knowledge with eachother and its one of the things Polyloop has done better than anywhere else. The problem comes when we start naming names and making personal observations about people themselves. I think Gunman is just as entitled to reply on a comment as anyone else and he's never been antagonistic or a "jerk" that I can remember and in fact I value his opinions as much as anyones, including yours. So lets please relax this thread and focus on just the facts.

[medeamajic]

Couerl,

Thanks for the post. Your post is what should be on this thread. One thing you will notice on the C4D demo is that it states it has better Open GL than previous versions. That is all I want from Carrara 6. I just want better previews. I know it will not show everything fully rendered in preview mod but it can be much more accurate. If you notice the screen capture software is recording and the frames per second seems to play very fast in the video at the C4D website. They may be using a real highend system. It looks to me like the Open GL can make use of displacement maps while doing animation previews if the software taps into it. I just wanted people to look at the videos at the C4D website. If people post they think Carrara's previews are better that is OK. That is something that should be discussed in this thread. From what I seen C4D looked much better than Carrara.



You wrote the following below.

I think Gunman is just as entitled to reply on a comment as anyone else and he's never been antagonistic or a "jerk" that I can remember and in fact I value his opinions as much as anyones, including yours. So lets please relax this thread and focus on just the facts.

I agree 100% but problems arise when the subject of the thread changes. You have put it back on track. Info about the previews of Vue would be welcomed and much more meaningfull than this post from the gunman.


Do you really think that beating up the dead horse is going to make it more dead or even, somehow, ressurect it, or you just need a hug ???

All I wanted people to do is check out the previews of C4D.

[Couerl]

Hi Med,
Since C4D just released and did improve real-time previews, I see no reason why anyone should think that Carrara won't improve in some measure there as well. You know as much as me at this point, but its too early to say what C6 will bring. I have a great deal of faith in the Carrara development team just like I do in the original Hexagon team and its been well earned over the last several years. Knowing that ownership has changed hands hasn't hurt my confidence in them at all and I think even Thomas would tell you not to worry. I know Daz will be committed to providing better animation and charecter support in Carrara because that's what they sell mostly and my best guess says that better charecter support and animation means better real time preveiwing as well. It just makes sense for these things to happen.

P.S. What's wrong with a hug, everyone needs one of those now and then. Sounds to me like he was just offering to give you one.


Anyway, in my perfect dreamworld for 2007 C6 kicks ass and costs less and Amapi-8 lets me model a billion polys. What more could a guy want?

[medeamajic]

I was impressed with C4D 10 but Carrara 6 might even go beyond C4D. I was glad you at least looked at the C4D website. I am not saying C4D is the best but True Space and C4D seem to be able to brag a little bit for now. If anyone has seen better animation previews please post a link.

[laughingnome]

All I wanted people to do is check out the previews of C4D.

thats ok ive changed the title of the thread to read as such.

regards
stu

[crazy wabbit]

Originally Posted by medeamajic

but True Space and C4D seem to be able to brag a little bit for now.

OMG have you seen the animation that is done on truespace in caligari website?
How can you even bring truespace into this comparison.

I always say the clash of opinions brings about the truth. But when we start to insult each other then it is a whole different ball game, which I personally do not like.