Manga-Comic - Polyloop

JuST · 7th January 2006, 22:46

Hello everyone... here is a new character of mine which I will try to animate later on. She is based on a manga-character I made for my homepage and I will create textures soon! What do you think about her?

Kool · 8th January 2006, 01:27

pretty !

cartoonMike · 8th January 2006, 01:54

She's a cutie. And very low poly, too. The color scheme/clothing is manga-typical. I really like the uneven socks, great little touch there. The knees are wrong, there should be an indent, from the front, where there's a bulge now. The kneecap should be the only outward bulge in that area of the leg. I would look at the tutorial by Thomas (our gracious host) here:

http://www.eovia3d.net/showthread.php?t=5426

There's a section where he mentions that for joints (knees, elbows and wrists, etc...) there should be increased resolution of polys, that is, an extra loop of 'em so the bending would have something to deform and 'transition' the deformation of bending.

Good work so far!

Thomas · 8th January 2006, 13:02

For your information, I'm working on an Hexagon DVD training, and the last part will be on the building of an Anime Character.

JuST · 8th January 2006, 13:09

@cartoonmike: you're right, thank you for your comment.
@thomas: cool... when will this be ready?

Thomas · 8th January 2006, 13:23

JusT : after it will be done in french, and after the translation

_Spectre · 11th January 2006, 22:19

Nice model, but one thing looks strange for me - why eyes are almost perfectly round?

JuST · 11th January 2006, 22:31

Well there are different ways to create the look of a manga-character... the way I like is the way you can see in this picture: (although I have to admit that the character, my model is based on, has not eyes in this style)

Thomas · 11th January 2006, 22:34

oOoh ! Conan !

JuST · 11th January 2006, 22:45

Yes, I see there are other mangafans here too!

_Spectre · 11th January 2006, 22:47

Hmm, the most strange manifestation of manga for me

JuST · 11th January 2006, 23:14

Well I do like this style best. In my opinion Conan is not very strange... There are lots of freakier mangas. Like "onepiece" or several others. Have a look at: http://onepiece.animemanga.de/infos/...nga.php?mId=14

JuST · 12th January 2006, 19:55

Here is the update.

Now the knees are better I guess?

Thomas · 12th January 2006, 20:20

JusT : please, can you post some closeup of your models ? And some without the smoothing ;)

Below is a test I made for the anime character of my DVD :

JuST · 12th January 2006, 20:52

Very nice!

Especially the eye-lashes and the eyebrows are cool. And I always wonder how to create proper lips...

Ok, here are some closer pictures of the head and the knees.

cartoonMike · 13th January 2006, 02:32

looking at the wires, JuST, I have great appreciation for your modeling chops. the knees are great as the rest of the figure.

How did you model the clothing for her?

m!ke

JuST · 13th January 2006, 16:22

Thank you very much cartoonmike.
For the blouse and the collar I started each time with a spline-circle (around the neck) and extruded the edges. The skirt was made by pulling the vertices of a cylinder to the right position and for the socks I copied the faces of the feet (without the toes), enlarged them a little and closed the hole at the front.

Thomas · 13th January 2006, 18:33

Just,
For my comments: your face may miss some extra polygons. I don't know if you will apply some materials on it, but the face is a little bit too "sharp". On the profile, the face is a little bit strange, the mouse isn't visible (well, yes.. but...)
Try to find some resources on internet, or in the Conan manga, and try to study the face more closer.
ven if the manga style can be sometime simple, it's always a feeling, because most of the time, it's a little bit more complicated ;)
Keep the pressure and continue like this!

Sarissi · 13th January 2006, 21:35

From what I understand of the history of Japanese animation, they have had problems showing emotion through eye expressions. Also, round eyes, at least 'used to' denote non-asian races. Even if they no longer have eye expression problems, and/or the thing with round eyes, these things have become a key feature in Anime.

JuST · 13th January 2006, 22:41

Thank you Thomas for your comment. I will apply a texture on the face, but I thought it does not matter how rough the face is when I unwrap it first and afterwards smooth the character. Do I have to smooth it first and then afterwards unwrap it? I'm a little confused now.
I know what you mean by the invisibility of the mouth... Somehow my trials to build proper lips did not work out very well. They always have strange curves or are too "sharp". I'll have a look at your Ork speed modeling head-tutorial.

7th January 2006, 22:46	#1 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Manga-Comic Hello everyone... here is a new character of mine which I will try to animate later on. She is based on a manga-character I made for my homepage and I will create textures soon! What do you think about her? Attached Thumbnails

8th January 2006, 01:27	#2 (permalink)
Kool 3D bible Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Perpignan - FRANCE Posts: 2,396	pretty ! __________________ Core2Quad Q6600 - 2Go Ge-Force 6600GT 128Mo Windows XP Carrara - Hexagon - Vue 6 - C4D

8th January 2006, 13:02	#4 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,383	For your information, I'm working on an Hexagon DVD training, and the last part will be on the building of an Anime Character. __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Lecaramel.fr [FR - Hélico RC] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

8th January 2006, 13:23	#6 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,383	JusT : after it will be done in french, and after the translation __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Lecaramel.fr [FR - Hélico RC] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

11th January 2006, 22:34	#9 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,383	oOoh ! Conan ! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Lecaramel.fr [FR - Hélico RC] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

8th January 2006, 01:54	#3 (permalink)
cartoonMike Cube Join Date: May 2005 Location: Walnut Creek Ca USA Posts: 69	She's a cutie. And very low poly, too. The color scheme/clothing is manga-typical. I really like the uneven socks, great little touch there. The knees are wrong, there should be an indent, from the front, where there's a bulge now. The kneecap should be the only outward bulge in that area of the leg. I would look at the tutorial by Thomas (our gracious host) here: http://www.eovia3d.net/showthread.php?t=5426 There's a section where he mentions that for joints (knees, elbows and wrists, etc...) there should be increased resolution of polys, that is, an extra loop of 'em so the bending would have something to deform and 'transition' the deformation of bending. Good work so far!

8th January 2006, 13:09	#5 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	@cartoonmike: you're right, thank you for your comment. @thomas: cool... when will this be ready?

11th January 2006, 22:19	#7 (permalink)
_Spectre Spline Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 54	Nice model, but one thing looks strange for me - why eyes are almost perfectly round?

11th January 2006, 22:31	#8 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Well there are different ways to create the look of a manga-character... the way I like is the way you can see in this picture: (although I have to admit that the character, my model is based on, has not eyes in this style)

11th January 2006, 22:45	#10 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Yes, I see there are other mangafans here too!

11th January 2006, 22:47	#11 (permalink)
_Spectre Spline Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 54	Hmm, the most strange manifestation of manga for me

11th January 2006, 23:14	#12 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Well I do like this style best. In my opinion Conan is not very strange... There are lots of freakier mangas. Like "onepiece" or several others. Have a look at: http://onepiece.animemanga.de/infos/...nga.php?mId=14

12th January 2006, 19:55	#13 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Here is the update. Now the knees are better I guess? Attached Thumbnails

12th January 2006, 20:20	#14 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,383	JusT : please, can you post some closeup of your models ? And some without the smoothing ;) Below is a test I made for the anime character of my DVD : __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Lecaramel.fr [FR - Hélico RC] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

12th January 2006, 20:52	#15 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Very nice! Especially the eye-lashes and the eyebrows are cool. And I always wonder how to create proper lips... Ok, here are some closer pictures of the head and the knees. Attached Thumbnails

13th January 2006, 02:32	#16 (permalink)
cartoonMike Cube Join Date: May 2005 Location: Walnut Creek Ca USA Posts: 69	looking at the wires, JuST, I have great appreciation for your modeling chops. the knees are great as the rest of the figure. How did you model the clothing for her? m!ke

13th January 2006, 16:22	#17 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Thank you very much cartoonmike. For the blouse and the collar I started each time with a spline-circle (around the neck) and extruded the edges. The skirt was made by pulling the vertices of a cylinder to the right position and for the socks I copied the faces of the feet (without the toes), enlarged them a little and closed the hole at the front.

13th January 2006, 18:33	#18 (permalink)
Thomas Always learning new stuff Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Merignac, France Posts: 11,383	Just, For my comments: your face may miss some extra polygons. I don't know if you will apply some materials on it, but the face is a little bit too "sharp". On the profile, the face is a little bit strange, the mouse isn't visible (well, yes.. but...) Try to find some resources on internet, or in the Conan manga, and try to study the face more closer. ven if the manga style can be sometime simple, it's always a feeling, because most of the time, it's a little bit more complicated ;) Keep the pressure and continue like this! __________________ Polyloop owner & Administrator - no support by PM or email. Polyloop [EN/FR] - Meuuh [FR +16 ans] - Lecaramel.fr [FR - Hélico RC] - Totyo [FR] - Pixologic [JOB] - Le ZBlog [JOB] - La3dpourlesnuls [FR]

13th January 2006, 21:35	#19 (permalink)
Sarissi NURBS Booleans are your friend Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mansfield, Ohio, USA Posts: 112	From what I understand of the history of Japanese animation, they have had problems showing emotion through eye expressions. Also, round eyes, at least 'used to' denote non-asian races. Even if they no longer have eye expression problems, and/or the thing with round eyes, these things have become a key feature in Anime. __________________ Carrara Newbie

13th January 2006, 22:41	#20 (permalink)
JuST Pixar want to hire me! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Braunschweig, Germany Posts: 500	Thank you Thomas for your comment. I will apply a texture on the face, but I thought it does not matter how rough the face is when I unwrap it first and afterwards smooth the character. Do I have to smooth it first and then afterwards unwrap it? I'm a little confused now. I know what you mean by the invisibility of the mouth... Somehow my trials to build proper lips did not work out very well. They always have strange curves or are too "sharp". I'll have a look at your Ork speed modeling head-tutorial.

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